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Post by kentjambo on Feb 22, 2020 22:25:58 GMT
In a christmas tree formation? Dave Bassett just signed..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 22:34:30 GMT
Just found there was a live video broadcast Not worth watching back through I assume? 1 hour 10 mins & 40 seconds into the video if you want to see the only goal. Not pretty. theres no way I’d be stood there all game doing a live stream for 17 people.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Feb 22, 2020 22:43:32 GMT
1 hour 10 mins & 40 seconds into the video if you want to see the only goal. Not pretty. theres no way I’d be stood there all game doing a live stream for 17 people. I can understand that. Wish I'd known beforehand that he / she was going to be doing it though!
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Post by Joel on Feb 22, 2020 22:50:54 GMT
Being Frustrated after a loss is acceptable we all want what’s best for the club we all want to go up.
Not just on the forum well hardly ever on the forum but the constant negativity from some people is incredible even when we win and do something right they will find something to be negative about.
It’s easy to pick on the manager when we lose as he is the Captain of the ship as such but I think after our win last week we thought we would stroll into this one and win it easily.
Just the wrong attitude again and hopefully the players can step it up next Saturday just the small task of the Kent Senior Cup on Tuesday against what will be a very tough Dartford side.
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Post by stumpy on Feb 23, 2020 0:02:17 GMT
maybe the manager has no alternative because the other 2 centre forwards he’s brought in either weren’t good enough or couldn’t get fit. If you know of a centre forward good enough to lead the line for Invicta while being affordable I doubt Cugley would ignore you. He does have an alternative. It's not obligatory to have a centre-forward, or target-man, or whatever you want to call it. How many of the better sides in the premiership use one? Here's some that don't: Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs (when Kane's injured) - and even the ones that do have a tall central striker, Chelsea for example, still play through the thirds and to feet, they don't lob it up there and hope he wins it. I don't like picking on individuals, and it's certainly not personal, but facts sadly are facts. Jerson has scored, I'm pretty sure, one league goal since November, he doesn't look like scoring, he doesn't win anything in the air and his hold up play has gone to pot. If not for Ira's continuing excellence we would hardly score any goals at all right now - and the oppo are starting to realise that and double-teaming him (more than that sometimes). We have two quality strikers at this club, Ira and Johan, and yet Johan is constantly played in positions where his chances to score are minimised - wide or, even worse, in midfield as today. (We actually have three quality strikers, but the other one plays left back...) It's all very well saying we should just be grateful for the way things have gone this season, but we actually haven't been that good since New Year and the danger is that if we keep persisting with something that isn't working too well we could see it all fall apart in the last dozen games. Play like we did today for the rest of the season and we won't even make the play-offs.
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Post by xjr on Feb 23, 2020 5:08:51 GMT
maybe the manager has no alternative because the other 2 centre forwards he’s brought in either weren’t good enough or couldn’t get fit. If you know of a centre forward good enough to lead the line for Invicta while being affordable I doubt Cugley would ignore you. He does have an alternative. It's not obligatory to have a centre-forward, or target-man, or whatever you want to call it. How many of the better sides in the premiership use one? Here's some that don't: Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs (when Kane's injured) - and even the ones that do have a tall central striker, Chelsea for example, still play through the thirds and to feet, they don't lob it up there and hope he wins it. I don't like picking on individuals, and it's certainly not personal, but facts sadly are facts. Jerson has scored, I'm pretty sure, one league goal since November, he doesn't look like scoring, he doesn't win anything in the air and his hold up play has gone to pot. If not for Ira's continuing excellence we would hardly score any goals at all right now - and the oppo are starting to realise that and double-teaming him (more than that sometimes). We have two quality strikers at this club, Ira and Johan, and yet Johan is constantly played in positions where his chances to score are minimised - wide or, even worse, in midfield as today. (We actually have three quality strikers, but the other one plays left back...) It's all very well saying we should just be grateful for the way things have gone this season, but we actually haven't been that good since New Year and the danger is that if we keep persisting with something that isn't working too well we could see it all fall apart in the last dozen games. Play like we did today for the rest of the season and we won't even make the play-offs. Agreed on every count
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 7:13:40 GMT
maybe the manager has no alternative because the other 2 centre forwards he’s brought in either weren’t good enough or couldn’t get fit. If you know of a centre forward good enough to lead the line for Invicta while being affordable I doubt Cugley would ignore you. He does have an alternative. It's not obligatory to have a centre-forward, or target-man, or whatever you want to call it. How many of the better sides in the premiership use one? Here's some that don't: Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Spurs (when Kane's injured) - and even the ones that do have a tall central striker, Chelsea for example, still play through the thirds and to feet, they don't lob it up there and hope he wins it. I don't like picking on individuals, and it's certainly not personal, but facts sadly are facts. Jerson has scored, I'm pretty sure, one league goal since November, he doesn't look like scoring, he doesn't win anything in the air and his hold up play has gone to pot. If not for Ira's continuing excellence we would hardly score any goals at all right now - and the oppo are starting to realise that and double-teaming him (more than that sometimes). We have two quality strikers at this club, Ira and Johan, and yet Johan is constantly played in positions where his chances to score are minimised - wide or, even worse, in midfield as today. (We actually have three quality strikers, but the other one plays left back...) It's all very well saying we should just be grateful for the way things have gone this season, but we actually haven't been that good since New Year and the danger is that if we keep persisting with something that isn't working too well we could see it all fall apart in the last dozen games. Play like we did today for the rest of the season and we won't even make the play-offs. jerson was missing for Carshalton and 3 people mentioned to me at half time that we were missing him, including people who don’t rate him. As for teams who “don’t use a centre forward” they’ve got firmino or aguero up top. Find a team at this level without a centre forward, although given you’ve listed teams that do I’m not sure what your definition is. When Ira and Johan have been left to lead the line in league games this season it’s been down to JV or Tyler to pop up with a goal. If this side had a player of Ade’s quality up top they’d piss the league. They don’t. There aren’t many of them and those that are about can get more money at at least half a dozen other clubs in this league and some in leagues below. As I said last night, if anybody knows of somebody who is free to come in and play that role that the manager has missed maybe give him a shout, but to constantly moan about him not picking a player that doesn’t exist is ridiculous. Get behind those that do.
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Post by gerryhan on Feb 23, 2020 7:42:37 GMT
Anthony you are starting to defend the indefensible.
Given his present form, you cannot play Jerson. Anybody would be an improvement. Finn, who was on the bench would at least have attempted to win a header.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 7:59:51 GMT
Anthony you are starting to defend the indefensible. Given his present form, you cannot play Jerson. Anybody would be an improvement. Finn, who was on the bench would at least have attempted to win a header. he can and he will. Agree with it or not, there’s absolutely nothing constructive about the constant negativity. He’s the centre forward, he’s our only centre forward, get behind him and the rest of them.
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Post by gerryhan on Feb 23, 2020 8:49:43 GMT
He is not being picked on, he has become a liability to the team and should not be playing!!!
We are in danger of losing the crowd because of him!!
I am surprised that you are still defending him Anthony!
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Post by xjr on Feb 23, 2020 8:54:55 GMT
Anthony you are starting to defend the indefensible. Given his present form, you cannot play Jerson. Anybody would be an improvement. Finn, who was on the bench would at least have attempted to win a header. he can and he will. Agree with it or not, there’s absolutely nothing constructive about the constant negativity. He’s the centre forward, he’s our only centre forward, get behind him and the rest of them. Perhaps you misconstrue passionate concern for negativity. No one here is just offering up criticism, they are also suggesting alternatives they believe may work better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 9:19:58 GMT
he can and he will. Agree with it or not, there’s absolutely nothing constructive about the constant negativity. He’s the centre forward, he’s our only centre forward, get behind him and the rest of them. Perhaps you misconstrue passionate concern for negativity. No one here is just offering up criticism, they are also suggesting alternatives they believe may work better. maybe I do, but so do some of the players, staff and plenty of people on the terraces (regulars and casuals) Nobody is suggesting Jerson is playing well enough but the constant moans and groans on the terraces aren’t helping him or the team. And it’s not as if the manager hasn’t tried alternatives. Players have come and gone. If I was a betting man I’d suggest Jerson probably won’t be at the club next season, especially if we go up, and if he is he won’t be the first choice centre forward, but right now who is the club able to bring in to replace him?
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Post by xjr on Feb 23, 2020 9:48:49 GMT
I would play sterling in the 10 role behind Ira and push kieron back out wide on the left. Tyler has a good touch, physical presence and knows where the goal is, he can also pick a pass. Appreciate he is young and naive at times but there are a couple of old heads to guide him. Jerson gets a rest and pressure off for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 9:52:46 GMT
I would play sterling in the 10 role behind Ira and push kieron back out wide on the left. Tyler has a good touch, physical presence and knows where the goal is, he can also pick a pass. Appreciate he is young and naive at times but there are a couple of old heads to guide him. Jerson gets a rest and pressure off for a while. think the most positive thing yesterday was that the “clueless” manager didn’t take Tyler off when he’d have been the easy option.
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Post by shimba on Feb 23, 2020 9:56:15 GMT
Perhaps you misconstrue passionate concern for negativity. No one here is just offering up criticism, they are also suggesting alternatives they believe may work better. maybe I do, but so do some of the players, staff and plenty of people on the terraces (regulars and casuals) Nobody is suggesting Jerson is playing well enough but the constant moans and groans on the terraces aren’t helping him or the team. And it’s not as if the manager hasn’t tried alternatives. Players have come and gone. If I was a betting man I’d suggest Jerson probably won’t be at the club next season, especially if we go up, and if he is he won’t be the first choice centre forward, but right now who is the club able to bring in to replace him? Are you suggesting that if Jerson was injured, then we would have to bring another player in to replace him? Do we not have enough strength in our current squad to cater for this situation?
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Post by Joel on Feb 23, 2020 10:18:19 GMT
maybe I do, but so do some of the players, staff and plenty of people on the terraces (regulars and casuals) Nobody is suggesting Jerson is playing well enough but the constant moans and groans on the terraces aren’t helping him or the team. And it’s not as if the manager hasn’t tried alternatives. Players have come and gone. If I was a betting man I’d suggest Jerson probably won’t be at the club next season, especially if we go up, and if he is he won’t be the first choice centre forward, but right now who is the club able to bring in to replace him? Are you suggesting that if Jerson was injured, then we would have to bring another player in to replace him? Do we not have enough strength in our current squad to cater for this situation? Well except from Draycott who is the only other ‘Center Forward’ as such then maybe so. Ira, Tyler and Johan are all great forwards and have played well but when we was missing Jerson for Carshalton we had nothing up front Tyler offered the only Threat as Ira had no one to play off and Johan found it difficult. I’m not defending Jerson as he hasn’t been good enough and has struggled.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 10:20:58 GMT
maybe I do, but so do some of the players, staff and plenty of people on the terraces (regulars and casuals) Nobody is suggesting Jerson is playing well enough but the constant moans and groans on the terraces aren’t helping him or the team. And it’s not as if the manager hasn’t tried alternatives. Players have come and gone. If I was a betting man I’d suggest Jerson probably won’t be at the club next season, especially if we go up, and if he is he won’t be the first choice centre forward, but right now who is the club able to bring in to replace him? Are you suggesting that if Jerson was injured, then we would have to bring another player in to replace him? Do we not have enough strength in our current squad to cater for this situation? yes. No.
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Post by fan on Feb 23, 2020 10:29:46 GMT
Are you suggesting that if Jerson was injured, then we would have to bring another player in to replace him? Do we not have enough strength in our current squad to cater for this situation? yes. No. I am sure Draycott, Johan and Jackson would beg to differ.
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Post by steveblake on Feb 23, 2020 10:37:06 GMT
Few comments about yesterday, some won't be popular! JTH had a game to forget, the ball has got to stick Newman is quality but needs Callum at times! Heard and McCann are both class and can work well in the centre but need Mev or Ronnie or Finn to act as a base..... but more on this... I like Tyler, but..... Alfie was criminally under-used yesterday because Tyler didnt give him space to run into, he doesn't get Alfie's strength and benefit to the team and thus drop when it's possible to by pass wide left and hit our overlapping left back in 1 pass... this is entirely understandable as he is young and can't possibly have KM and AP's telepathy on the left. I like Tyler but don't see him out wide left long term with Alfie behind him. Up front, the ball didn't stick with Johan at all, and Draycs should have been that change made earlier, or, take JTH off, playing a deeper holding mid- (Mev? Finn?) And then allow KM and SH to break more freely from midfield. I like JTH, but yesterday was 1 to forget for him. The offside goal was mental, Jerson was offside for a full 10 seconds with an unimaginable amount of time to get onside before the inevitable cross. We battered them and should have won, but we let the 2 dictate to the ref by being way too quiet, and we have got to score 1st half in those periods when we're on top, happens EVERY game - it's like bloody City!!... changes everything and almost guarantees a win. We have a great team and hoping they achieve the success they deserve.... its never for lack of effort.... £11 well spent.
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Post by steveblake on Feb 23, 2020 10:58:41 GMT
Bloody hell..... just started reading the match thread... stopped at the end of page 2, madness on here .. I can't agree with much of the vitriol, way over the top imo. I do see limitations like others, but tbh, yesterday I can think of so many times we broke and got round the back on the right, they sat deep and cleared, and times we atacked left but lacked the overlap so crossed from deeper. All these moments, including the 1 off the line and the 1 off the post/bar came from build up play on the deck, they had 9/10 sat deep most of the game..... watch City and see the similarity!! Ha ha
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 11:13:13 GMT
I am sure Draycott, Johan and Jackson would beg to differ. maybe they would. I’m sure they’re all national league standard centre forwards who have been playing wide or at SCEFL league clubs just because Cugley wants to deliberately annoy people on this forum.
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Post by harryl on Feb 23, 2020 11:34:33 GMT
Well i usually agree with Gerrys reports but on yesterdays game Steveblake was about right IMO. Also it takes a worthing fan to jog some people into smelling the coffee . There is so many more posts on here when we lose than when we win , surely we should be praising the manager and his trainers for getting us in the position were in !!!! If anyone listened in to Iras talk on the podcast they would get to hear how much the players appreciate the management ,Ira suggests that Cugs is the best manager in non league including dover i do realise that its all a matter of opinion but moaning all the time hardley helps ,for goodness sake get behind the team and lets get the job done .
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Post by thebishop on Feb 23, 2020 12:34:07 GMT
You’re probably right Harry although sometimes it’s not the losing but how we lost,especially after the Tonbridge and Worthing wins,when we were short of staff so the boys worked that bit harder,both in heart and mind and of course yesterday was our normal way of playing lower sides...Without Mev playing we do look a bit of a mess in midfield and the poor boy can’t go on for ever !
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Post by gerryhan on Feb 23, 2020 13:12:18 GMT
I agree, Harry...Steveblake is spot on in his analysis on yesterday. I was too tired ( and depressed!)to be anything but brief! I will re-iterate though that Jerson has to be rested. ( For his own benifit too !) A simple swap with Finn would have improved us, just for that game, in my opinion.
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Post by Joel on Feb 23, 2020 13:32:09 GMT
Jerse is lacking confidence and may need a rest we all have our opinions but let’s keep supporting the boys as we are having our best season in a long time.
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Post by stumpy on Feb 23, 2020 16:38:22 GMT
I like Tyler, but..... Alfie was criminally under-used yesterday because Tyler didnt give him space to run into, he doesn't get Alfie's strength and benefit to the team and thus drop when it's possible to by pass wide left and hit our overlapping left back in 1 pass... this is entirely understandable as he is young and can't possibly have KM and AP's telepathy on the left. I like Tyler but don't see him out wide left long term with Alfie behind him. Up front, the ball didn't stick with Johan at all Thought exactly the same thing at the time - Alfie and Tyler didn't gel, but maybe because they hadn't played together in those positions before. Don't understand the comment about Johan though - Johan didn't play up front until Jerson came off and Draycott came on.
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Post by xjr on Feb 23, 2020 16:40:27 GMT
I like Tyler, but..... Alfie was criminally under-used yesterday because Tyler didnt give him space to run into, he doesn't get Alfie's strength and benefit to the team and thus drop when it's possible to by pass wide left and hit our overlapping left back in 1 pass... this is entirely understandable as he is young and can't possibly have KM and AP's telepathy on the left. I like Tyler but don't see him out wide left long term with Alfie behind him. Up front, the ball didn't stick with Johan at all Thought exactly the same thing at the time - Alfie and Tyler didn't gel, but maybe because they hadn't played together in those positions before. Don't understand the comment about Johan though - Johan didn't play up front until Jerson came off and Draycott came on. Kieron is the best partner for Alfie out wide
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 17:09:36 GMT
Thought exactly the same thing at the time - Alfie and Tyler didn't gel, but maybe because they hadn't played together in those positions before. Don't understand the comment about Johan though - Johan didn't play up front until Jerson came off and Draycott came on. Kieron is the best partner for Alfie out wide most definitely. Get a great view of them linking up for 45 minutes every week
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Post by steveblake on Feb 23, 2020 18:10:48 GMT
Stumpy, Johan played in front of KM and SH, didnt have a 2nd touch all game except 1 pass when we broke down the right 2nd half. He has definitely played better but it's nothing to even give a 2nd thought to, he'll play well next time, I'm sure
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Post by stumpy on Feb 23, 2020 20:06:10 GMT
Stumpy, Johan played in front of KM and SH, didnt have a 2nd touch all game except 1 pass when we broke down the right 2nd half. He has definitely played better but it's nothing to even give a 2nd thought to, he'll play well next time, I'm sure Got you - yep, that's where he played, and it didn't suit him. I think though, that to get the best out of him, he needs to play as one of a front two with Ira, or, if that's too radical given how long we have played with three up front, as the central one of a front three. Since when has he been a midfielder?
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