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Post by gerryhan on Jan 29, 2020 18:59:46 GMT
We were chatting about the team Jambo. Feel free to join in. I don't remember criticizing the management or team last night, quite the opposite! What did you feel about the game and how we played in the second half with just Ira up top. Would like to hear your views.
Don'tknow why you should take offense at fans discussing their team ?
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Post by jbm on Jan 29, 2020 19:03:19 GMT
Okay we will agree to disagree. It’s not meaning to be negative it’s just an obvious point that the majority of fans see.
That’s what the forums for, because Cugley won’t change his plans or methods. He plays 4-3-3 with a ‘target man’ and that’s it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 19:10:00 GMT
Okay we will agree to disagree. It’s not meaning to be negative it’s just an obvious point that the majority of fans see. That’s what the forums for, because Cugley won’t change his plans or methods. He plays 4-3-3 with a ‘target man’ and that’s it That’s not what he played before this season though. He’s tailored his tactics this year to suit the changes in the squad, it’s not something he’s always been wedded to. |
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Post by Joel on Jan 29, 2020 19:31:18 GMT
We have to remember Mr Cugs changed his tactics at a time 2 seasons ago when we played 3 at the back.
He certainly changes his playing methods at the moment are certainly working so there is no need to change a thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 19:41:20 GMT
Podcast is up. Spoke to ira and Ronnie after the game. Discussed Cinny’s departure with the manager as well as praise for the team, what Alfie brings at left back and hint at bringing another player to the club soon
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Post by stumpy on Jan 29, 2020 19:44:36 GMT
this constant stream of negativity is draining. What negativity? What's negative about constructive suggestions from people who care about how we might get out of an obvious slump that we have been in since New Year? You seem to think that there's some kind of vendetta against Jerson. There isn't, not from me anyway. But you can't pretend there isn't a problem there at the moment; whether it's injury or lack of confidence, or a bit of both, it just isn't happening for him at all right now. Cugs has given him the chance to play himself back in, as he should, but there are no signs of it happening any time soon and a lot of people reckon that enough is enough, especially when we have a proven goalscorer kicking his heels on the bench because, for some reason, I'd love to know what, the manager has it in for him. Of course, if Jerson could recover his early season form, great, but how long can we wait? He hasn't scored a league goal since November, which makes it quite a long wait already. If you want real negativity, come and stand where I do on the terrace and listen to a certain group of people, all very loyal fans I might add, moaning at Jerson's every involvement in the game. He must hear it and it can't be helping. On a slightly different subject, no I don't give Cugs any credit at all for Alfie playing left back; that's because I've got a memory. Basically Alfie sat on the bench game after game and might have done all season if Blanksie hadn't got injured. The only credit you can give Cugs there is recognising that he was good there and sticking with him. I've actually avoided being critical of Cugs this season, partly out of guilt for going too far in the past and also because we're having a good season and it's been fun most of the time. But don't try and persuade me that he's some kind of tactical genius... |
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Post by realfan on Jan 29, 2020 19:49:40 GMT
I’m a big fan of the 4-3-3 formation and it’s obvious that many teams can’t handle us when we set up that way and it’s always fun to watch. However, playing the better teams, the Worthing’s, Cray’s, Hornchurch’s and I do think our away game at Bognor may well have been different if we set up a little more defensive. Going to Worthing, playing a 4-3-3 formation and getting a win, it’s a big ask. But we will see, looking forward to this busy month coming.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 19:59:37 GMT
this constant stream of negativity is draining. What negativity? What's negative about constructive suggestions from people who care about how we might get out of an obvious slump that we have been in since New Year? You seem to think that there's some kind of vendetta against Jerson. There isn't, not from me anyway. But you can't pretend there isn't a problem there at the moment; whether it's injury or lack of confidence, or a bit of both, it just isn't happening for him at all right now. Cugs has given him the chance to play himself back in, as he should, but there are no signs of it happening any time soon and a lot of people reckon that enough is enough, especially when we have a proven goalscorer kicking his heels on the bench because, for some reason, I'd love to know what, the manager has it in for him. Of course, if Jerson could recover his early season form, great, but how long can we wait? He hasn't scored a league goal since November, which makes it quite a long wait already. If you want real negativity, come and stand where I do on the terrace and listen to a certain group of people, all very loyal fans I might add, moaning at Jerson's every involvement in the game. He must hear it and it can't be helping. On a slightly different subject, no I don't give Cugs any credit at all for Alfie playing left back; that's because I've got a memory. Basically Alfie sat on the bench game after game and might have done all season if Blanksie hadn't got injured. The only credit you can give Cugs there is recognising that he was good there and sticking with him. I've actually avoided being critical of Cugs this season, partly out of guilt for going too far in the past and also because we're having a good season and it's been fun most of the time. But don't try and persuade me that he's some kind of tactical genius... I didn’t accuse any individual of being negative so there’s no need to be defensive. It’s a constant thing on here, even after a big win last night, to come on the next day and it’s just moans and groans. “Why won’t he do this?” Or “why isn’t he picking him?” I don’t need to stand near on the terraces to hear how negative it is, I can hear absolutely everything from the scaffold tower. And I mean everything. It seems to be a weird culture around the club that people are never happy so regardless of how loyal they may be it baffles me as to why they bother turning up every week just to get angry at Cugley. You might want to check your memory though: Finn replaced Blanksie at left back at the back end of last season when he was injured and Alfie was sat in the bench. Alfie’s played there all season and Blanksie has only got a look in when he’s been injured or a couple of cup games. |
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Post by Joel on Jan 29, 2020 20:04:43 GMT
This is turning sour quickly let's remind ourselves that we aren't in the position we are in by pure luck clearly someone is doing something tactically right.
See you some of you Saturday for another lovely game of football we are all looking forward to.
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Post by stumpy on Jan 29, 2020 21:03:08 GMT
I didn’t accuse any individual of being negative so there’s no need to be defensive. It’s a constant thing on here, even after a big win last night, to come on the next day and it’s just moans and groans. “Why won’t he do this?” Or “why isn’t he picking him?” You might want to check your memory though: Finn replaced Blanksie at left back at the back end of last season when he was injured and Alfie was sat in the bench. Alfie’s played there all season and Blanksie has only got a look in when he’s been injured or a couple of cup games. Wasn't being defensive at all, didn't feel any reason to - just pointing out that I don't see any negativity from anyone. To be honest, I don't see any "moans and groans" in any of the posts in this thread, just some legitimate concerns about Jerson's form, some constructive suggestions about what we might do about it, and the standard comments about how the long ball game doesn't work for us. I don't actually see any Cugs bashing, so I'm not really sure why you (and my old mucker Jambo) have felt the need to leap to his defence here - he isn't under attack, for once  I would like to know why he isn't picking him though. As for Alfie, I was thinking only about the earlier part of last season and Alfie's eventual breakthrough into the starting team. That's how I remember it, but I am getting old, so.... Bottom line is, I'm not sure how a perfectly reasonable discussion about a game which we all enjoyed (eventually) and a result we are all pleased with has degenerated into (yet another) forum argument, albeit a fairly polite one. I just re-read all the posts in the thread and I still don't understand it. |
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Post by gerryhan on Jan 29, 2020 21:38:44 GMT
Anybody who knows and loves, and perhaps has played football ,enjoys nothing better than to discuss a game afterward. Of course, this will include tactics, team selection etc etc. I really enjoy and look forward to reading what Stumpy, AndyB, Realfan and lots of others, have to say about a game.
What I do not like is being told by people, who sometimes don't even offer their views on the game, to shut up. This has happened to me on a number of occasions. A typical quote is " You think you could do better than the manager " No, I just like talking football and if you knew anything about the game you would like to talk football too.
Not directing this at anyone in particular, but let's have an open forum on here where people can express their opinions without being attacked.
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Post by Joel on Jan 29, 2020 21:53:14 GMT
Everyone has an opinion and this is why this an open forum so we can all express it obviously some of us have to keep some of our opinions to our selves but we all could argue and talk about tactics all day and players etc.
All that matter is we get behind the lads on Saturday and get a win and hopefully, Worthing slip up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 22:21:45 GMT
How ironic that when I have made similar points in the past I get slated/criticised by many such as ads, xjr or rdg who say were u there etc. well despite saying I would not post or attend I have enjoyed some recent games as being there. NC is just a basic manager but has got away with things so far, but FEB is the sink or swim month imo. Alfie paxman has pace is two footed and energetic & he could easily play at a higher level with or without FIFC. Is he on contract?? God help us if Draycott comes back as not ripping up trees at 2 levels below us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 22:35:08 GMT
I didn’t accuse any individual of being negative so there’s no need to be defensive. It’s a constant thing on here, even after a big win last night, to come on the next day and it’s just moans and groans. “Why won’t he do this?” Or “why isn’t he picking him?” You might want to check your memory though: Finn replaced Blanksie at left back at the back end of last season when he was injured and Alfie was sat in the bench. Alfie’s played there all season and Blanksie has only got a look in when he’s been injured or a couple of cup games. Wasn't being defensive at all, didn't feel any reason to - just pointing out that I don't see any negativity from anyone. To be honest, I don't see any "moans and groans" in any of the posts in this thread, just some legitimate concerns about Jerson's form, some constructive suggestions about what we might do about it, and the standard comments about how the long ball game doesn't work for us. I don't actually see any Cugs bashing, so I'm not really sure why you (and my old mucker Jambo) have felt the need to leap to his defence here - he isn't under attack, for once I would like to know why he isn't picking him though. As for Alfie, I was thinking only about the earlier part of last season and Alfie's eventual breakthrough into the starting team. That's how I remember it, but I am getting old, so.... Bottom line is, I'm not sure how a perfectly reasonable discussion about a game which we all enjoyed (eventually) and a result we are all pleased with has degenerated into (yet another) forum argument, albeit a fairly polite one. I just re-read all the posts in the thread and I still don't understand it. This forum on its own isn’t the real issue, and last night/this morning isn’t the worst it’s been, but it never seems like a positive place. It can be awful on here when we lose, even when we we’re still top and lost a game there were calls for the manager’s head. Like I said above, it feels like some people just don’t even enjoy coming to Invicta so it’s a bit weird. Supporters are meant to do just that: support. Getting on the backs of the players or the team isn’t helpful. Luckily the ref managed to draw the ire of the crowd last night. As for “him” assuming you mean Johan, he’s easily the best finisher at the club for me but he doesn’t offer what either Ira or Kieron do. They’re the ones keeping him out of the team because that’s where the manager sees him playing, rightly or wrongly. He’s a very useful player and I personally would have thrown him on more often in games where we were behind but I can’t see him ever leading the line for Invicta regularly. He’s played more than 50% of minutes so far this season, more than quite a few of them. It often feels like him playing is more important to people than how the team play or the result. I didn’t spot him coming off on Saturday until I heard somebody shouting at Cugley something I couldn’t repeat on here and immediately know Johan was coming off. If Cugley has it in for him why would he still have him here? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 22:46:41 GMT
great post obertan that is consistent with all your filming and media work alongside joel. need to remember That keiron came to us from Sevenoaks (2 levels below at the time) so has probably reached his zenith, so dont expect too much more from him imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 22:46:43 GMT
How ironic that when I have made similar points in the past I get slated/criticised by many such as ads, xjr or rdg who say were u there etc. well despite saying I would not post or attend I have enjoyed some recent games as being there. NC is just a basic manager but has got away with things so far, but FEB is the sink or swim month imo. Alfie paxman has pace is two footed and energetic & he could easily play at a higher level with or without FIFC. Is he on contract?? God help us if Draycott comes back as not ripping up trees at 2 levels below us. glad to see somebody is happy! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 23:02:02 GMT
How ironic that when I have made similar points in the past I get slated/criticised by many such as ads, xjr or rdg who say were u there etc. well despite saying I would not post or attend I have enjoyed some recent games as being there. NC is just a basic manager but has got away with things so far, but FEB is the sink or swim month imo. Alfie paxman has pace is two footed and energetic & he could easily play at a higher level with or without FIFC. Is he on contract?? God help us if Draycott comes back as not ripping up trees at 2 levels below us. glad to see somebody is happy! Happiness is a subjective and variable element of humanity. I am very happy with FIFC media, but not so as much with FIFC management for reasons other posters have said. What is of interest is that teams who are top of their league at Xmas tend to be the same at end of season, so hope that prevails this season but as said b4 Feb is probably shit or bust 4 title, but not play offs |
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Post by jt on Jan 30, 2020 0:00:28 GMT
I’m lost there. Are you saying Johan isn’t a striker and neither is Ira? no, I don’t think either of them are centre forwards. But given that’s a view shared by the supposedly useless manager I’m probably wrong. So we could keep pining for them to be played in such a role or just get on with it and enjoy what’s in front of us, because this constant stream of negativity is draining. One of them got a move to the premier League being a centre forward and trust me HATES being out wide |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 0:36:37 GMT
no, I don’t think either of them are centre forwards. But given that’s a view shared by the supposedly useless manager I’m probably wrong. So we could keep pining for them to be played in such a role or just get on with it and enjoy what’s in front of us, because this constant stream of negativity is draining. One of them got a move to the premier League being a centre forward and trust me HATES being out wide you know him better than me but I’m aware he’s not a fan of it. Point is I don’t see it ever changing and large numbers of the support crying when he comes off/doesn’t start/is played wide isn’t productive. |
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Post by kentjambo on Jan 30, 2020 7:59:02 GMT
Anybody who knows and loves, and perhaps has played football ,enjoys nothing better than to discuss a game afterward. Of course, this will include tactics, team selection etc etc. I really enjoy and look forward to reading what Stumpy, AndyB, Realfan and lots of others, have to say about a game. What I do not like is being told by people, who sometimes don't even offer their views on the game, to shut up. This has happened to me on a number of occasions. A typical quote is " You think you could do better than the manager " No, I just like talking football and if you knew anything about the game you would like to talk football too. Not directing this at anyone in particular, but let's have an open forum on here where people can express their opinions without being attacked. |
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Post by kentjambo on Jan 30, 2020 8:05:43 GMT
Gerry Han, I for one always look forward to your insights and like yourself have played the game over the years. Never see your comments as negative just insights but like my message (according to you and some)on here they can be taken the wrong way. Some others seem to just like the beating up stuff (or perhaps I'm reading it wrong) I thought it might be useful to try and put a positive spin on it all regarding the team and management. Always open for discussion but in the written format it is open for misinterpretation. Of course only my opinion which in the bigger picture counts for nowt anyway.
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Post by gerryhan on Jan 30, 2020 9:12:30 GMT
Point taken Jambo |
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Post by gerryhan on Jan 30, 2020 9:44:35 GMT
I think we all agree that that second half the other night showed us at our best. All the team worked to help each other and Ira, in particular, stood out as an attacker on his own up top. He seemed to relish the freedom to move across the front moving into those channels of space and terrorized their defenders with his touch and pace. ( He spoke informally to us in Stripes after the game and said how much he enjoyed playing that role! )
Now, the question of changing our shape has arisen, I think, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, Jerson`s injury/loss of form, hitting long balls to him has not proved productive in recent games. We do not have an obvious replacement to play that role. So why not try a different tack? We know that Johan would like a freer role across the front too, and has been very successful in the past doing so. Surely now is the time to try it!
The second reason is, Kieron looked a better player once he moved inside it seemed to me. When we go to worthing, for what could be a decisive game we cannot afford to be as open as we were at Bognor a few weeks ago, so a four in midfield ( I would go for a diamond shape ) would make us far stronger defensively in my opinion.
To play a three up top where they are expected to press ( or you can be outnumbered in midfield ) in important away games, is asking a lot of semi-pro players.
It would also give Johan a chance to show his strengths, which are pace and finishing.
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Post by harryl on Jan 30, 2020 10:31:30 GMT
I enjoy reading Gerrys views on here , pretty accurate ,never any malice .I see almost every game so i think i am qualified to comment on this ,Obertan is quite right , really negative posts ,considering our position are draining .I too have opinions on who should be in the starting line up ,especially up front , it is a matter of opinions just as long as the comments do not get personal . We are so lucky to have such a good set up to support, with a cracking chairman ,manager and coaches,so lets carry on ,see you all on sat |
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Post by simondo on Jan 30, 2020 10:41:10 GMT
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Post by invictasaint on Jan 30, 2020 11:21:23 GMT
🎵if you’re going to games at the Fullicks, be sure to wear some flowers in your hair🎵
Perhaps we need to be a bit less Leonard Cohen and stick by Freddie and the Dreamers😛
Whoosh !
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Post by kentjambo on Jan 30, 2020 14:23:39 GMT
Trust you to stir it up 🤣 |
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Post by xjr on Jan 30, 2020 19:01:10 GMT
How ironic that when I have made similar points in the past I get slated/criticised by many such as ads, xjr or rdg who say were u there etc. well despite saying I would not post or attend I have enjoyed some recent games as being there. NC is just a basic manager but has got away with things so far, but FEB is the sink or swim month imo. Alfie paxman has pace is two footed and energetic & he could easily play at a higher level with or without FIFC. Is he on contract?? God help us if Draycott comes back as not ripping up trees at 2 levels below us. Well I never, I do not remember ever directly criticising any of the rubbish you have posted 😁 |
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Post by rdg on Jan 30, 2020 19:07:57 GMT
How ironic that when I have made similar points in the past I get slated/criticised by many such as ads, xjr or rdg who say were u there etc. well despite saying I would not post or attend I have enjoyed some recent games as being there. NC is just a basic manager but has got away with things so far, but FEB is the sink or swim month imo. Alfie paxman has pace is two footed and energetic & he could easily play at a higher level with or without FIFC. Is he on contract?? God help us if Draycott comes back as not ripping up trees at 2 levels below us. Well I never, I do not remember ever directly criticising any of the rubbish you have posted 😁 I don't think I've ever remarked on anyone's attendance or otherwise, I certainly don't make it to every game so wouldn't criticise anyone else on this front. |
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Post by colash on Jan 30, 2020 21:00:23 GMT
Lewis Spence got a 3 match ban for his sending off on Tuesday. Callum Davies got 1 match Ban which will be against Basildon Utd.
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