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Post by stumpy on Apr 4, 2024 13:55:29 GMT
I understand the reasoning behind closing the turnstiles at the cricket ground end, which is basically financial, but I'm a bit concerned about the impact on games where we have a large crowd. There have been problems in the past with queues, and that's with both sets of turnstiles operating - one game in particular a couple of years ago (I can't remember which) when a lot of people missed up to 20 minutes of the game.
Maybe the on-line ticketing will speed things up a little, but even so I can see it being an issue.
There is also the question of ground grading requirements. The minimum number of turnstiles required at our level (step 3) is three, not two, and we must also keep opposing fans apart from the point of entry to the ground at segregated games - which we are expecting the game against Dover to be.
I guess time will tell.
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Post by tigger on Apr 4, 2024 14:35:37 GMT
I understand the reasoning behind closing the turnstiles at the cricket ground end, which is basically financial, but I'm a bit concerned about the impact on games where we have a large crowd. There have been problems in the past with queues, and that's with both sets of turnstiles operating - one game in particular a couple of years ago (I can't remember which) when a lot of people missed up to 20 minutes of the game. Maybe the on-line ticketing will speed things up a little, but even so I can see it being an issue. There is also the question of ground grading requirements. The minimum number of turnstiles required at our level (step 3) is three, not two, and we must also keep opposing fans apart from the point of entry to the ground at segregated games - which we are expecting the game against Dover to be. br]I guess time will tell. Sorry stumpy but I don’t understand when you say it was basically financial why they are closing the turnstile . Please help out an Old Harveian on this |
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Post by stumpy on Apr 4, 2024 15:05:16 GMT
The only reason I've heard given for this is to save the money we would otherwise pay to the turnstile operators. When I said "understand", I didn't in any way mean "agree with", because I don't.
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Post by invictasaint on Apr 4, 2024 15:24:48 GMT
There are 4 turnstiles which can be made operational at the clubhouse entrance.
Business reasons aside; it eases the load on supporter club volunteers selling draw and goal tickets. Their numbers have dwindled and no one is stepping forward.
They are being taken out of use, not dismantled.
Interesting to find out what proportion of crowd uses which gate.
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Post by dusty on Apr 4, 2024 16:15:35 GMT
Also as I understand it the cricket ground end turnstiles (of which there are 4)will become operational on ‘BIG’ games that are expected to attract a large crowd.Also the car park is nothing to do with the football club so doesn’t come into the equation,and I believe the gates will be opened for exiting at 70 minutes. It would have been easier to put an explanation out when the statement was released,communicating with people stops all these misleading and angry posts.Lastly if you want answers contact the relevant personnel at the club and ask for clarification they will be happy to enlighten you.
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Post by stumpy on Apr 4, 2024 16:20:21 GMT
Interesting to find out what proportion of crowd uses which gate. I guess it depends where you live. When I lived in George Gurr (very long time ago now) I always used the cricket ground ones (probably still in the pointy roofed booth in those days) - Since then I've always lived west of the ground and it's always been the Grammar School End. The other reason you gave, Geoff, about the draw ticket sellers makes more sense, but overall I still don't like it and I think it will genuinely inconvenience some supporters; not me, I haven't got a personal axe to grind. Perhaps I was just born conservative - note the small 'c'. |
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Post by stumpy on Apr 4, 2024 16:30:45 GMT
communicating with people stops all these misleading and angry posts.Lastly if you want answers contact the relevant personnel at the club and ask for clarification they will be happy to enlighten you. Misleading? more like misinformed. And I'm not angry in the slightest. You are completely right about communication - it shouldn't be necessary for people to ask the club for explanations, they should have been part of the announcement. On the subject of communication, I've just spent 10 minutes staring at the twitter page trying to work out what a message with a little blue computer, a red rectangle, an hour glass and a pair of eyes means. I've got it now. Sorry, but if I want to do rebuses, I'll buy a puzzle book  |
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Post by kentjambo on Apr 4, 2024 18:37:04 GMT
Interesting to find out what proportion of crowd uses which gate. I guess it depends where you live. When I lived in George Gurr (very long time ago now) I always used the cricket ground ones (probably still in the pointy roofed booth in those days) - Since then I've always lived west of the ground and it's always been the Grammar School End. The other reason you gave, Geoff, about the draw ticket sellers makes more sense, but overall I still don't like it and I think it will genuinely inconvenience some supporters; not me, I haven't got a personal axe to grind. Perhaps I was just born conservative - note the small 'c'. Its a long way from one turnstile to the other...you might have to set off 10 minutes earlier...after you've fed the horses...of course its all Neil Cugleys fault.😉 Lots of love the village idiot, w ⚓, bimbo, twat and officially Wednesday swisher😉 |
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Post by tigger on Apr 4, 2024 19:43:31 GMT
Surely the financial gain of closing the turnstile is peanuts ? Unless the Clubs finances are that bad … well then there is a problem.
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Post by JimRuoff on Apr 5, 2024 11:22:43 GMT
Is it permanent or just a method to get everyone using the same gate to see how the new entry system copes with higher numbers entering to iron out any potential issues in the future?
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Apr 5, 2024 11:43:09 GMT
If its permanent and the turnstiles to be disposed of I'd be interested in possibly taking one of the mechanisms. I love old school turnstiles.
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Post by laguna on Apr 5, 2024 12:43:23 GMT
[/font]I have osteoarthritis in both knees and the less walking I have to do the better. Parking in the cricket ground car park, through the turnstiles was good very handy. But I doubt it concerns the club too much , and there are similar elderly supporters with mobility problems.
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Post by thelawman on Apr 5, 2024 14:17:08 GMT
Duncan for N/S ground grading we would need 6 no turnstiles so those at Morriston end would need to stay, I'm just wondering if it is to do with the on line tickets at the moment as there is no power in those turnstiles where sockets have just been put into the main entrance one and getting power to the others would involve quite a bit of work..
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Apr 5, 2024 14:29:20 GMT
Duncan for N/S ground grading we would need 6 no turnstiles so those at Morriston end would need to stay, I'm just wondering if it is to do with the on line tickets at the moment as there is no power in those turnstiles where sockets have just been put into the main entrance one and getting power to the others would involve quite a bit of work.. Maybe if they need an upgrade / power supply the old ones might have to go. I've had a go at summarising the NLS requirements here www.cheritonroad.co.uk/the-future |
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Post by thelawman on Apr 5, 2024 15:11:08 GMT
Thinks to power supply would be to do with the online tickets..
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Post by Dodger on Apr 5, 2024 16:10:07 GMT
Lack of information/explanation from those now responsible for running the "business" (which seems to be the norm these days) and hence various theories as to why the turnstile is being closed being put forward.
I can understand that if there is material cost in employing turnstile operators and/or security at that gate then it makes sense from a financial perspective and I appreciate the point made by Invictasaint regarding the lack of supporters club volunteers. If however there is an agenda to encourage more supporters to go into The Dugout then I doubt that will be successful, those going to a match who want a drink will already be using the bar and those who go along just to watch the game are unlikely to change their approach.
John Law makes a good point regarding electrical supply which is needed to power the online ticketing system but couldn't one turnstile at the cricket ground be kept open for season ticket holders and if possible cash payers.
Laguna says he parks in the cricket ground car park and there are a fair number of supporters who park in Morrisons car park and Cornwallis Avenue, all of those, assuming they continue to park as they do at present, will have the inconvenience of walking round to the other entrance.
As has been explained above this is only a few minutes walk but like me some supporters are not proper fans (i.e. We don't attend away games) so may resent the inconvenience and on a wet Tuesday evening decide against that additional walk
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Post by kentjambo on Apr 5, 2024 18:37:02 GMT
As many of you know i am village idiot, w ⚓, bimbo and a twat but from my point of view (which is worth f all). I would never park at the cricket ground end with its over zealous parking attendants, lack of respect for other car users (seen loads of door dinks on other users cars) and Morrisons has a restriction of parking time. I use ( if I drive) Cornwallis avenue and am not bothered about an extra 2 minute walk. Appreciate lack of communication but nearly all of us know its about the new ticketing system and the cricket end turnstiles having the power points (yet). There are only 3 home games left and only 1 of those potentially a damp Tuesday evening.
Certainly reduces supporters club burden by only manning one gate. Am hopeful they will be back to service next season...and I love what the new management are trying to do for our club...long may that continue. Onwards and upwards...Sea Sea seasiders!
Don't forget this is only my pov and not of the masses.
PS I've got further to walk on Saturday after my bus ride to folkestone and stop off at the Park Inn. Should support Hythe really its so much closer😉 and they've only one set of turnstiles.
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Post by stumpy on Apr 6, 2024 9:42:54 GMT
Duncan for N/S ground grading we would need 6 no turnstiles so those at Morriston end would need to stay, I'm just wondering if it is to do with the on line tickets at the moment as there is no power in those turnstiles where sockets have just been put into the main entrance one and getting power to the others would involve quite a bit of work.. Thanks, John. That could indeed be the reason. None of the others mentioned, including the one mentioned by me, which was only what I'd heard from a couple of people, make any real sense. If the club communicated properly, we wouldn't be speculating. And I'm not going to call you a twat, Jambo, because you're not, but Laguna's post above shouldn't be dismissed as a whinge, it's a statement of fact and a valid point. Perhaps they could say something sometime about the rumour that the cricket ground terrace is going to be demolished for "insurance reasons" - that really would go down like a lead balloon. |
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Post by invictasaint on Apr 6, 2024 10:58:35 GMT
Presumably a steward will still have to be deployed to the Sid gates to let Director\Kitman\other cars in to park near the Wilf suite as well as any players and opponents from the coach parking spaces. Maybe then it could remain as a Season Ticket only gate to encourage sales, reward purchasers and ease flow.
( I am from the east Folkestone but have habitually used the Stripes gates)
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Post by kentjambo on Apr 6, 2024 11:53:25 GMT
Presumably a steward will still have to be deployed to the Sid gates to let Director\Kitman\other cars in to park near the Wilf suite as well as any players and opponents from the coach parking spaces. Maybe then it could remain as a Season Ticket only gate to encourage sales, reward purchasers and ease flow. ( I am from the east Folkestone but have habitually used the Stripes gates) Eastender eh? |
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Apr 6, 2024 13:21:47 GMT
Maybe they're replacing the turnstiles with a revolving door for our hight turnover of players?  |
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Post by stumpy on Apr 20, 2024 19:28:16 GMT
A lot of people missed the first 10 minutes, maybe more, of the game today.
Q.E.D.?
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Post by simondo on Apr 21, 2024 10:31:07 GMT
A lot of people missed the first 10 minutes, maybe more, of the game today. Q.E.D.? I went to the cricket ground end and met a security guard there, a flash of the season ticket and in right? Wrong! So a fit a healthy Simondo walked to the Club Fandango entrance (or whatever Stripes is called these days), flashed my season ticket to a security guard (different one) and in I go. Looks like the first quard was told 'none shall pass'. |
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Post by stumpy on Apr 21, 2024 12:34:09 GMT
The cricket ground end is closed period, including to season ticket holders.
Hopefully the club will have learned something from yesterday, something that was pretty obvious really; even with some having e-tickets, there's a limit to how quickly people can get through turnstiles. We had 800+ spectators yesterday. They don't all go through the turnstiles (season ticket holders don't have to); so, say about 600 of them went through the turnstiles; two turnstiles, so that's 300 per turnstile. Allow 10 seconds per person to pay and pass through and you're looking at 50 minutes to get the crowd through - and, of course, a lot turn up quite close to kick-off, which is when queues build up and people miss the start of games.
Given that a crowd of around 800 has not been unusual for us in the last couple of years, doesn't yesterday show that 2 turnstiles open is often not going to be enough and that, if we don't want the other end of the ground used, we need to start using another one of the turnstiles at the grammar school end?
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Apr 21, 2024 14:45:25 GMT
Our opponents average 2500 at home (>3000 on several occasions). I'm wondering how many turnstiles they use or what methods they use?
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Post by thelawman on Apr 21, 2024 15:09:37 GMT
By looking at it I would say 3 and the 4th for season tickets and pre paid, we could easily get 4 hoping by the dug out as 3 are working at the moment but only 2 being used,a question for the meeting week Monday..
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Apr 22, 2024 8:57:49 GMT
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Post by plymouthseasider on Apr 23, 2024 19:59:31 GMT
Our opponents average 2500 at home (>3000 on several occasions). I'm wondering how many turnstiles they use or what methods they use? A large segment of the Dulwich 'rabble' aren't remotely interested in anything that happens on the pitch, let alone being concerned about being pitch side for kick off. Even money bet that if you bump into a Dulwich fan somewhere in London after a game and you ask them about the game, you'll likley learn very little of them. The last such Dulwich fan I encountered at Reading Station told me he spent most the game in the bar playing backgammon so had no recollection of the game other than the result. |
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Post by gerryhan on Apr 23, 2024 21:04:36 GMT
Not your usual fans, but lovely friendly people on a day out watching their team. I enjoyed chatting with some of them at Saturday's game who told me the atmosphere at their home games is similarly friendly. Dulwich is a bit, Chi Chi !!
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