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Post by stumpy on Oct 7, 2023 21:28:56 GMT
Poor recruitment in the summer, dreadful tactics, confusing leadership, no cup run of any substance, changes to the match day experience for the worst, eco vandalism, falling attendances. The club needs to make changes now to address this before we sleep walk into a relegation battle. Completely agree with everything you say - but who is "the club"? The new money people aren't football people and seem to be solely focussed on possible commercial "spin-offs" and happy to leave the footballing side of things to the old regime. Maybe they will surprise us and actually take some action, given the fact that, at the moment, their stated five-year target of being two levels higher up the pyramid than at current seems unlikely to be achieved; I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by Dena on Oct 7, 2023 22:24:15 GMT
Whilst you where watching the terrible game today I located just the ticket serving loaded fries & curry goat 🤤🤤 the window girl said they will be at the master brewers for the foreseeable 😬
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Post by stumpy on Oct 7, 2023 23:22:08 GMT
Whilst you where watching the terrible game today I located just the ticket serving loaded fries & curry goat 🤤🤤 the window girl said they will be at the master brewers for the foreseeable 😬 Is the Master Brewer still open then? Last time I went there, on a Thursday evening a couple of weeks ago, it was shut. I'd assumed this was permanent, since the landlord had been talking about leaving for quite a while, but if it is still open, that would be great.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Oct 7, 2023 23:36:24 GMT
Whilst you where watching the terrible game today I located just the ticket serving loaded fries & curry goat 🤤🤤 the window girl said they will be at the master brewers for the foreseeable 😬 Space Bar according to JTT x.com/J_theticket/status/1700396917316780399?s=20
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Post by Dena on Oct 7, 2023 23:59:51 GMT
Whilst you where watching the terrible game today I located just the ticket serving loaded fries & curry goat 🤤🤤 the window girl said they will be at the master brewers for the foreseeable 😬 Is the Master Brewer still open then? Last time I went there, on a Thursday evening a couple of weeks ago, it was shut. I'd assumed this was permanent, since the landlord had been talking about leaving for quite a while, but if it is still open, that would be great. It reopened today and from what I gathered just the ticket are helping them launch the kitchen, the pub it self has seen some massive improvements.
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Post by stumpy on Oct 8, 2023 9:07:08 GMT
Thanks for the reply; I shall have to check it out.
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Post by tigger on Oct 8, 2023 12:18:52 GMT
About time Roland Edge stood in front of the camera post match and gave his thoughts rather than Mev being rolled out every time we lose
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Post by glostervic on Oct 8, 2023 13:11:11 GMT
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Oct 8, 2023 17:46:57 GMT
Other than being more professional.
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Post by glostervic on Oct 8, 2023 18:39:00 GMT
That should sort out all the problems then
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Post by ian on Oct 8, 2023 18:50:51 GMT
About time Roland Edge stood in front of the camera post match and gave his thoughts rather than Mev being rolled out every time we lose Looks like they share the interviews if you check.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Oct 9, 2023 12:39:05 GMT
Not sure if the source of the videos but here are Haringey's goals.
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Post by laguna on Oct 10, 2023 14:48:48 GMT
For me, don’t need joint manager rubbish, they rarely work, with the addition of analyst, player coach and Cugs still about - far too many voices. Let Michael do the job on his own and free up some money for another player by reverting to just the one manager.
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Post by laguna on Oct 10, 2023 14:57:40 GMT
The problem is that both of the coaches served under the Cugley regime which, to say the least , served up some pretty negative performances especially the totally negative long ball , and they seem to have just carried that on and is why we need someone from outside to bring in fresh ideas and tactics ( that would be a first) to the team. Not holding my breath.
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Post by Foss on Oct 11, 2023 6:40:13 GMT
So, is this what everyone was expecting this season, or is this worse than was expected?
I am not so sure on the two manager thing either, but as a Coventry City fan, it did work for us once, though that was way back in the 80's. We won the FA Cup under the stewardship of John Sillet and George Curtis, though it did seem that Sillet was more the one for tactics and formations etc. George, more for motivation and discipline and belief.
How long will the directors give these two coaches of yours you think?
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Post by glostervic on Oct 11, 2023 8:44:48 GMT
So, is this what everyone was expecting this season, or is this worse than was expected? quote] Think you can probably gauge from the many comments on this thread that the season is not progressing as many fans had hoped. Anyway supporters can be reassured that the board are very keen to resolve on field issues folkestoneinvictafc.co.uk/2023/10/vacancy-chef/
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Post by stumpy on Oct 11, 2023 8:49:39 GMT
For me, it's worse from the point of view of the football we are playing. But, after pre-season, I wasn't expecting much at all; we clearly didn't make the signings we needed to replace departed players at full-back (both sides) or in midfield, and some of the signings we did make were really poor - Jake Goodman, whose fitness levels are way short of what is required at our level (something that more than one Dover fan told me when we played them pre-season) and Andy Drury who, great player though he has been, struggles to get through 90 minutes and contributes very little when we are out of possession.
And I didn't expect the long-ball crap.
On Saturday, we had a young player signed as a midfielder playing at left back, and very obviously a fish out of water in that position, and a centre-half not renowned for his passing ability playing in midfield - whose brainwave was that? (I think I can guess).
It's a shambles - and clearly the triumvirate of Cugs, Edge and Mev are not delivering, not taking the club forwards. I'm not sure that they can or that the drive is there to do so.
So, yes, I think we need a new set up. Whether that is likely is another question. Do the new board really care about what happens on the pitch, or are they just here for the commercial opportunities? That sounds like an accusation, but it's not; the truth is we don't know. I guess that it will become clear by their actions, or lack of action, if we do not see some rapid improvement in performances and results.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Oct 11, 2023 12:11:27 GMT
Do the new board really care about what happens on the pitch, or are they just here for the commercial opportunities? That sounds like an accusation, but it's not; the truth is we don't know. I guess that it will become clear by their actions, or lack of action, if we do not see some rapid improvement in performances and results. The only definite is that they don't like trees. The rest, well, we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by Foss on Oct 11, 2023 12:14:01 GMT
For me, it's worse from the point of view of the football we are playing. But, after pre-season, I wasn't expecting much at all; we clearly didn't make the signings we needed to replace departed players at full-back (both sides) or in midfield, and some of the signings we did make were really poor - Jake Goodman, whose fitness levels are way short of what is required at our level (something that more than one Dover fan told me when we played them pre-season) and Andy Drury who, great player though he has been, struggles to get through 90 minutes and contributes very little when we are out of possession. And I didn't expect the long-ball crap. On Saturday, we had a young player signed as a midfielder playing at left back, and very obviously a fish out of water in that position, and a centre-half not renowned for his passing ability playing in midfield - whose brainwave was that? (I think I can guess). It's a shambles - and clearly the triumvirate of Cugs, Edge and Mev are not delivering, not taking the club forwards. I'm not sure that they can or that the drive is there to do so. So, yes, I think we need a new set up. Whether that is likely is another question. Do the new board really care about what happens on the pitch, or are they just here for the commercial opportunities? That sounds like an accusation, but it's not; the truth is we don't know. I guess that it will become clear by their actions, or lack of action, if we do not see some rapid improvement in performances and results. So, the thought behind the long ball game is because Invicta have speedy forwards? Or is it simply because the midfield isn't good enough?
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Post by tigger on Oct 11, 2023 13:34:06 GMT
For me, it's worse from the point of view of the football we are playing. But, after pre-season, I wasn't expecting much at all; we clearly didn't make the signings we needed to replace departed players at full-back (both sides) or in midfield, and some of the signings we did make were really poor - Jake Goodman, whose fitness levels are way short of what is required at our level (something that more than one Dover fan told me when we played them pre-season) and Andy Drury who, great player though he has been, struggles to get through 90 minutes and contributes very little when we are out of possession. And I didn't expect the long-ball crap. On Saturday, we had a young player signed as a midfielder playing at left back, and very obviously a fish out of water in that position, and a centre-half not renowned for his passing ability playing in midfield - whose brainwave was that? (I think I can guess). It's a shambles - and clearly the triumvirate of Cugs, Edge and Mev are not delivering, not taking the club forwards. I'm not sure that they can or that the drive is there to do so. So, yes, I think we need a new set up. Whether that is likely is another question. Do the new board really care about what happens on the pitch, or are they just here for the commercial opportunities? That sounds like an accusation, but it's not; the truth is we don't know. I guess that it will become clear by their actions, or lack of action, if we do not see some rapid improvement in performances and results. So, the thought behind the long ball game is because Invicta have speedy forwards? Or is it simply because the midfield isn't good enough? Or is it simply Cugley is still running the club and hoofball is his game plan
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Post by stumpy on Oct 11, 2023 13:43:04 GMT
So, the thought behind the long ball game is because Invicta have speedy forwards? Or is it simply because the midfield isn't good enough? You tell me. We don't have speedy forwards, apart from Jordan Ababio and, not quite so quick, Ira - and they both play wide. Neither Ibz nor Dave Smith are quick. More to the point, none of our forwards are tall, none of them are strong in the air (Jordan is the best, but he plays wide), and none of them are good at hold up play - Ibz is ok, but the other three no. If you add to that, our years old dogma of playing three up front, with two wide and one isolated central striker, who is generally covered by at least two tall central defenders, and our use of the long-ball makes no (expletive deleted) sense at all and just gifts possession to the oppo time after time. Edgy claims that our main problem is the forwards missing chances. That's rubbish - we aren't actually creating many chances for them to miss at the moment. The facts of the matter are that we currently have the joint 4th highest goals for total in our league, but our goals against are more in keeping with a team in the lower half of the table. We shouldn't have to score three goals to win a game, but at the moment it seems we have to. As for the midfield not being good enough, I think it's maybe more to do with it being underpopulated and a bit short on legs. That's nothing new; our "3 man midfield" has for a long time been one DM who stays back, one man vaguely playing between him and the forwards, and Scott Heard trying to do two players' jobs at once. The only recent time I can remember when we have played a different formation/style, was the first half of the season before last, when we played a back three with wing-backs, a midfield 3 and a front 2, and we were tremendously successful (and good to watch), until, after the Eastleigh cup replay, Cugs reverted to type and it all went downhill from there. I don't remember it being as bad as it is right now though. If we don't improve rapidly we could be looking at a relegation fight and our regular 700+ crowds will start to dwindle, because people are getting fed up with what is currently on offer. For myself, I'll always go, but I can't pretend I'm enjoying it at all at the moment.
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Post by Foss on Oct 11, 2023 15:10:31 GMT
Well, I'm hoping to go to my first ever Invicta game soon.
I may need some help in picking the best one. 😂
Be nice to go and see something to be enthused about.
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Post by laguna on Oct 11, 2023 16:32:39 GMT
So, is this what everyone was expecting this season, or is this worse than was expected? I am not so sure on the two manager thing either, but as a Coventry City fan, it did work for us once, though that was way back in the 80's. We won the FA Cup under the stewardship of John Sillet and George Curtis, though it did seem that Sillet was more the one for tactics and formations etc. George, more for motivation and discipline and belief. How long will the directors give these two coaches of yours you think? Till this weekend hopefully.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Oct 11, 2023 19:43:36 GMT
Highlights
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Post by invictasaint on Oct 11, 2023 21:21:24 GMT
Well, I'm hoping to go to my first ever Invicta game soon. I may need some help in picking the best one. 😂 Be nice to go and see something to be enthused about. The better the opposition the better we play…. Usually/always/often/never… delete as appropriate.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Oct 12, 2023 8:09:57 GMT
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Post by colash on Oct 12, 2023 8:44:10 GMT
Funny not a mention of the new player that played Saturday and the rumours about Coker going.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Oct 12, 2023 14:13:55 GMT
Do the new board really care about what happens on the pitch, or are they just here for the commercial opportunities? That sounds like an accusation, but it's not; the truth is we don't know. I guess that it will become clear by their actions, or lack of action, if we do not see some rapid improvement in performances and results. I sent them a link on Twitter to highlight the discontent (ie this thread). I think I've ended up wit a ban for it
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Post by stumpy on Oct 12, 2023 16:35:46 GMT
I sent them a link on Twitter to highlight the discontent (ie this thread). I think I've ended up wit a ban for it Yes, that would do it. To be honest, Dunc, that wasn't the wisest thing to do. This forum is not controlled by the club and, as long as it's civil, people can and do post what they like. But the twitter/x account belongs to the club and is not a soap-box for discontents. We may sometimes laugh at the relentless positivity, but that's how official social media accounts are and ours is no different from anyone else's - it's basically advertising the club and encouraging people to come and watch, and, given how our crowds have grown in recent years, you have to say it's doing a good job in that respect. Assuming that they go to games and don't have tin ears, I would have thought that the money men are becoming aware of the growing dissatisfaction of many regular supporters. Do they care? Who knows, but I would imagine they will start to take notice if crowds start to drop off, with a commensurate drop off in burger sales and bar takings.
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Post by Foss on Oct 13, 2023 15:57:30 GMT
Well, I'm hoping to go to my first ever Invicta game soon. I may need some help in picking the best one. 😂 Be nice to go and see something to be enthused about. The better the opposition the better we play…. Usually/always/often/never… delete as appropriate. Cheers. To be quite honest, that pretty much sums up Coventry City too. Always seem to play better against the top opposition. 🤷
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