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Post by finbarr_in_z on Jan 26, 2022 9:07:10 GMT
Generally non league fans get on but there's some particular bitterness here. rebelrebels.proboards.com/thread/4528/wfc-folkestone-match-threadClearly worthing are the best team in the league and will go up - all the best to them. However should we go up also (playing our lovely version of our Jekyll and Hyde football) then I doubt we'll get a warm welcome in West Sussex. Most of our comments seem reactive (like the post match brawl apparently).
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Jan 26, 2022 9:12:59 GMT
Theirs (sic) a strange air of arrogance around the support A West Sussex Dover?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 9:18:16 GMT
Obertan good to see that as usual you are prepared to take a defeat with good grace. Embarrassing response but I really do admire your eyesight, hearing and lip reading skills. In a crowd of over 1000 you apparently heard a 9 year old child swearing at your player, you saw Racine elbow your bully boy forward and you saw Barker being the first and only player to react aggressively. Just try to accept as we did on the first day of the season, that last night you were soundly beaten by a far better team. Hi Red Rebel, No, I did not see if hear the child swear but have spoken to many who did. In his defence he wasn’t the only one swearing at our players from the sideline during a rather heated exchange and the **** off wasn’t actually aimed directly at him according to the player but in my eyes if you’re teaching your child to swear at players you can’t cry when he gets told to **** off. yes, we did see the elbow quite clearly, we had the perfect angle for it. The ref unfortunately didn’t. I also never said your man was the only one to throw a punch last night and I’m sure he wasn’t. As above, you were the better team and good luck to you, I’ve said all season you’ll win the league (and said so on camera again last night) and have seen nothing since to change my mind, although Bognor fans were adamant we would win it following our win down there (more in hope than with any real conviction in my mind). But as above I won’t miss Worthing, despite it being much better place to go than most of the league. If nothing else it will open things up next season for clubs looking to go up, especially with fewer NLS teams coming down this year to compete with. In fact if you’d wish to look I was championing on here during covid to send both Worthing and Cray up on PPG if they were so desperate for a hollow promotion done in an office. Anyway, you still play more than a few teams around us so I hope you play as well as last night against them and do us a few favours before the end of the season.
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Post by xjr on Jan 26, 2022 9:19:51 GMT
Obertan good to see that as usual you are prepared to take a defeat with good grace. Embarrassing response but I really do admire your eyesight, hearing and lip reading skills. In a crowd of over 1000 you apparently heard a 9 year old child swearing at your player, you saw Racine elbow your bully boy forward and you saw Barker being the first and only player to react aggressively. Just try to accept as we did on the first day of the season, that last night you were soundly beaten by a far better team. This particular discussion has nothing to do with who got beat, its about people reactions to separate incidents on the night. I have no idea what happened, but i do know our lads and they are all a decent hard working bunch, most with families of their own. Perhaps our player did not realise who it was and just reacted, who knows. As for getting beat, yes unfortunately our boys just could not string it together on the night and Worthing punished them for it, no doubt about that. You will win the League, hopefully we will get promoted from the play offs and we can do it all again next season.
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Post by gerryhan on Jan 26, 2022 9:21:23 GMT
Yes XJ, last night was a disappointing performance overall. But we are better than this, given a proper structure to the team and less reliance on the direct route. We changed it last week against Chichester last week (admittedly a weaker side ) and looked like a different and more attractive team.
Last night we did not play 4-3-3 as suggested. We played with essentially two wing-backs down the left and one traditional right back on the right. I cannot think of any other side which lines up this way.
We started the season playing with width and creativity and were a joy to watch. Successful too. (Even Worthing praised us at the time.) Why change to something less attractive and less successful to boot ?
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Jan 26, 2022 9:27:29 GMT
Is there a pattern to when we play our passing game or our hoof game? I thought we did the passing against the 'lesser' (can't think of a better word) teams but revert to hoof vs more talented ones. Does that fit?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 9:38:25 GMT
Is there a pattern to when we play our passing game or our hoof game? I thought we did the passing against the 'lesser' (can't think of a better word) teams but revert to hoof vs more talented ones. Does that fit? well, personally I don’t think we played hoof ball or indeed with 2 left wingbacks last night anyway. We obviously don’t play the way Worthing do but for most of the first half they were just passing it about the keeper and back 4. Ultimately we are still in the game at half time then go and concede seconds after half time and give ourselves too big of a hill to climb against a good side.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 9:40:07 GMT
I have always respected your club as being the team in Kent that play football the right way. Good flowing football Smacked us up on the first game of the season we took that on the chin beat by the better side. But tonight the boot On the other foot you didn't take it on your chin. The player that started on the 8 year old child and mad him cry is Far short of disgraceful. The player must feel proud of himself. Sleep well fella you know whom you are......... ? if a child is old enough to stand there swearing at players he’s old enough to be told to **** off in return Just to clarify MY son didn’t swear at the player. The only thing he shouted was that he was a rubbish player! I was standing next to him when he said it! So to be told to F off is taking it a bit far!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 9:57:06 GMT
if a child is old enough to stand there swearing at players he’s old enough to be told to **** off in return Just to clarify MY son didn’t swear at the player. The only thing he shouted was that he was a rubbish player! I was standing next to him when he said it! So to be told to F off is taking it a bit far! Well if that’s the case I apologise. Clearly in the heat of the moment and with multiple people swearing at the player in question the eye witnesses were mistaken. As above however, said player swore back into the crowd and not at the child.
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Post by rebel4ever on Jan 26, 2022 9:59:33 GMT
Just to clarify MY son didn’t swear at the player. The only thing he shouted was that he was a rubbish player! I was standing next to him when he said it! So to be told to F off is taking it a bit far! Well if that’s the case I apologise. Clearly in the heat of the moment and with multiple people swearing at the player in question the eye witnesses were mistaken. As above however, said player swore back into the crowd and not at the child. So you didn’t hear the child swear but have spoken to many people confirming that he did? Which is very funny as there were not many people standing around us when it all happened. And in fact they were all Worthing fans. Even the stewards can confirm he didn’t swear. And just to clarify I DO NOT teach my son to swear at players! And yes I did swear but don’t have a go at my son and upset him and then don’t expect a reaction from a parent. However 2 of your players apologised for the language used after the game to me. The most laughable part was one your players shouting at me that he earns more money than I do! Which made me chuckle because if that is the best you can come back with. He doesn’t know anything about me
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Post by rebel4ever on Jan 26, 2022 10:04:32 GMT
Just to clarify MY son didn’t swear at the player. The only thing he shouted was that he was a rubbish player! I was standing next to him when he said it! So to be told to F off is taking it a bit far! Well if that’s the case I apologise. Clearly in the heat of the moment and with multiple people swearing at the player in question the eye witnesses were mistaken. As above however, said player swore back into the crowd and not at the child. Thanks for that, just left a sour taste after a good night for us. And to be clear I always look forward to playing FIFC because the marches always have been good to watch with 2 teams that want to play football. Good luck for the rest of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 10:20:18 GMT
Well if that’s the case I apologise. Clearly in the heat of the moment and with multiple people swearing at the player in question the eye witnesses were mistaken. As above however, said player swore back into the crowd and not at the child. So you didn’t hear the child swear but have spoken to many people confirming that he did? Which is very funny as there were not many people standing around us when it all happened. And in fact they were all Worthing fans. Even the stewards can confirm he didn’t swear. And just to clarify I DO NOT teach my son to swear at players! And yes I did swear but don’t have a go at my son and upset him and then don’t expect a reaction from a parent. However 2 of your players apologised for the language used after the game to me. The most laughable part was one your players shouting at me that he earns more money than I do! Which made me chuckle because if that is the best you can come back with. He doesn’t know anything about me As I said, clearly given that multiple people were swearing at the player the eye witnesses assumed the child was one which as you say wasn’t the case. The player’s said he wasn’t swearing directly at the child although clearly the incident is regrettable and I’m glad some of the lads apologised.
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Post by colash on Jan 26, 2022 12:00:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 12:04:20 GMT
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Post by colash on Jan 26, 2022 12:52:41 GMT
That missed out so many bits like Smith getting fouled Heard's trip in the area. Also it was never a foul on their keeper for Smith's Goal. Even the foul on Josh for the free kick where we scored was missing.Very Poor.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Jan 26, 2022 13:00:59 GMT
Philosophical question: if a red card & mass brawl not captured on the match highlights, then surely they didn't happen?
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Post by kentjambo on Jan 26, 2022 13:22:13 GMT
Well done Worthing 'you won your cup final' although honours even. Would like to add that the elbow by Worthings big number 5 after a few minutes went unpunished and on another night could have been sent off. The ref didn't see it or indeed many other things during the game from both sides. We didn't get a great rub of the green from the ref with a couple of laughable playing advantage when there clearly wasn't any. The melee at the end started by Worthing was imo brought on by a poor referee who never put his footprint on the game early doors. Worse refereeing I've seen this season. That said Worthing outplayed us and deserved their cup win..another run of T shirts at the end of the season?😉
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Post by yorkshireseasider on Jan 26, 2022 14:39:51 GMT
Thought we were pretty loud last night, even at 3-0 down most were singing!
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Jan 26, 2022 14:53:17 GMT
Theirs (sic) a strange air of arrogance around the support A West Sussex Dover? Talking of which they've got rude kids. Wondered when I could use this photo as I've had it stored away for several years.....
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Post by findonrebel on Jan 26, 2022 15:46:41 GMT
A West Sussex Dover? Talking of which they've got rude kids. Wondered when I could use this photo as I've had it stored away for several years..... View AttachmentWorthing fan here, a good game last night and I agree the ref was poor and didn't control the game! On balance we were the better side and I feel we deserved to win the game! The argy bargy came form both sides and I think in a heated game with alot riding on it was always going to happen! Both sides were as bad as each other and I feel you guys were also lucky to not have a player off, I didn't see why Danny Barker got sent off so I won't comment! What I don't like, and as a fan of non league in general, usually competitive but fair banter between fans is what it's about, But please if you were not directly involved in the incident then you can't comment and please don't label people as 'rude kids'. Yes things happen and when incidents boil over then it can get unsightly! I appreciate we have a section of possibly boisterous fans that some clubs with traditional low key fam bases are less keen on. As for the comments saying we feel we were destined to be promoted and that we apparently said why should we be denied promotion because Kent can't wash its hands...... really?? Someone please find me that comment and I will wash my mouth out with soap and film the evidence, but that's just ridiculous!! I would like to put it to you as Folkestone fans, if you had had a season where you were 7 games from promotion and it was null and voided, to then play 8 games of what we can call 'last season' for the same to happen again when top, how would you feel?? I'm always fair and belive in competition and rivalry, along with banter and differing opinions, but I find some of the comments on here rather far fetched! I will repeat the words of a fellow Red, we always enjoy playing Folkestone and have had a very good and fair recent rivalry from Isthmian South to now! I unlike some of you will miss those games, but it's very sour grapes from a few, sometimes if you aren't directly involved, it's best to just say what you saw rather than tarnish people with the 'bad guy' brush. It works both ways! Best of luck for the rest of the season, as I say a good and well supported club! Buy be mindful of others situation and look at it from boot on your foot situation.
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Post by reddevil on Jan 26, 2022 16:35:47 GMT
Worthing worthy winners on the night ,referee had a nightmare of a game. Never looked like the same side that won 3-1 at the beginning of the season ,it's getting all to predictable .Hoping for a return to an attacking ,footballing game on Saturday 🤞
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Post by seaseaseasider on Jan 26, 2022 18:27:04 GMT
Had Ade taken that chance at 2-0 it might've been a different story. We only really started to put them under real pressure towards the end by which time it was too late. A couple of things that were mentioned in earlier posts. Firstly it appeared more of a palm of the hand rather than an elbow that struck Dave in the first half and didn't appear deliberate. Also the Scott Heard penalty appeal was an obvious dive and wasn't ever likely to be given. Worthing were clearly the better side and deserved the win. Really proud of the way the lads battled in those last 10/15 minutes and chased a result though.
Away from the football. I was really impressed with the ground/facilities. We could definitely do with getting a similar outdoor bar. I appreciate this is easier said than done but getting served at half time within a couple of minutes made a pleasant change.
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Post by kentjambo on Jan 26, 2022 18:27:50 GMT
I see from their forum that they read ours as well. Laughable the way they saw the game through red rose tinted glasses regarding constant fouling as through my Amber rimmed glasses I thought they were continually fouling...so I go back to my point of the poor standard of refereeing which allowed the late melee and everything else that happened or allegedly happened. I will read more of their forum over an apple crumble🤣 we have been reported to the FA as well so we shall see if anything comes from that. I'm going to sign up to their forum to get a balance as they have clearly invaded ours with their drivel...you won and rightly so ffs.
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Post by findonrebel on Jan 26, 2022 18:45:51 GMT
I see from their forum that they read ours as well. Laughable the way they saw the game through red rose tinted glasses regarding constant fouling as through my Amber rimmed glasses I thought they were continually fouling...so I go back to my point of the poor standard of refereeing which allowed the late melee and everything else that happened or allegedly happened. I will read more of their forum over an apple crumble🤣 we have been reported to the FA as well so we shall see if anything comes from that. I'm going to sign up to their forum to get a balance as they have clearly invaded ours with their drivel...you won and rightly so ffs. You make a fair point, if I was assessing the ref then he didn't play advantaged at times and gave soft fouls but left more serious fouls unpunished, it was a recipe for trouble!
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Post by invictasaint on Jan 26, 2022 20:40:15 GMT
Both teams or just us to be reported Mick? Both sides had same number of bookings after all. Any comeback for the man in black as he may well have contributed to the friction through lack of authority. Do clubs complete ref appraisal forms post match? No sour grapes from me, a lesson was taught.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2022 20:53:09 GMT
Both teams or just us to be reported Mick? Both sides had same number of bookings after all. Any comeback for the man in black as he may well have contributed to the friction through lack of authority. Do clubs complete ref appraisal forms post match? No sour grapes from me, a lesson was taught. I believe we had the same number of cards but they had a booking less
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Post by invictasaint on Jan 26, 2022 21:47:44 GMT
Still unclear with this. Are we reported to FA by ref or automatically after number of yellows or manner of yellows ie involvement in fracas rather than time wasting for example. In other words what are the implications?
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Post by stumpy on Jan 26, 2022 23:00:12 GMT
Still unclear with this. Are we reported to FA by ref or automatically after number of yellows or manner of yellows ie involvement in fracas rather than time wasting for example. In other words what are the implications? Geoff, as I understand it whether a team is reported or not depends on how many players are disciplined - so, if five players are shown a yellow and a sixth player is shown a red, that is six players; however, if five players are shown a yellow and one of them is later shown a red, that is five players. I don't know what number of players cautioned/sent-off triggers a report to the FA in our league; for steps 5, 6 and 7 it is six, but we're step 3. I think the ref can report anything he considers particularly bad though. Was it bad, or was it handbags?
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Post by gerryhan on Jan 27, 2022 8:06:11 GMT
Towards the end of the game, I had just made my way down from the stand and was a few yards from the outrageous tackle on Matt Newman which took him, ball and anything near into the crowd. It could have ended his career and put him in the hospital to boot.
It was outrageous and justly, in my opinion, provoked outrage in our players who rushed to intervene. I think it was their muscular number fifteen, who quickly left the scene and was not red-carded. But hard to say for definite with the melee. Whoever it was, and they will know, should shoulder the blame for the ensuing fracas.
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Post by kevin on Jan 27, 2022 9:14:20 GMT
Well done Worthing 'you won your cup final' although honours even. Would like to add that the elbow by Worthings big number 5 after a few minutes went unpunished and on another night could have been sent off. The ref didn't see it or indeed many other things during the game from both sides. We didn't get a great rub of the green from the ref with a couple of laughable playing advantage when there clearly wasn't any. The melee at the end started by Worthing was imo brought on by a poor referee who never put his footprint on the game early doors. Worse refereeing I've seen this season. That said Worthing outplayed us and deserved their cup win..another run of T shirts at the end of the season?😉 Long time viewer first time poster but im sorry but I have to jump in here as this comment made me spill my morning tea... 'You won your cup final' is big statement, considering we have been accused of being arrogant then you make statements like this. Worthing v Horsham att 2134 Worthing v Bognor att 2101 Worthing v Lewes att 1619 Worthing v Hornchurch att 1300 Worthing v Leatherhead att 1295 Worthing v Bishops Stortford 1244 Worthing v Cheshunt att 1218 Worthing v Bowers att 1148 Worthing v Potters Bar att 1104 Worthing v Merstham att 1063 Worthing v Corinthian-Casuals att 1028 Worthing IN THEIR BIG CUP FINAL........ att 1008 Yes it was a big game but so was Bognor / Horsham / Lewes etc etc We are in a situation where every game is important but to label this our cup final is laughable even Merstham on a tuesday night drew a bigger crowd....
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