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Post by Joel on Mar 26, 2020 15:10:16 GMT
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Post by Snafu2023 on Mar 26, 2020 15:25:47 GMT
On the wires now..sky news reporting The FA have ended all National League football and grassroots football for the rest of the season. All results will be wiped, meaning no promotion or relegation of clubs between National League System (NLS) steps three to six, and no promotion to NLS step two.
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Post by shimba on Mar 26, 2020 15:51:44 GMT
Surely a more sensible solution would be use points accumulated this season as your starting point for next season.
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Post by thebishop on Mar 26, 2020 16:30:01 GMT
Can’t see that working shimba as some teams had played more than others ...
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Post by Joel on Mar 26, 2020 16:55:19 GMT
Surely a more sensible solution would be use points accumulated this season as your starting point for next season. we would of missed out on promotion by 0.2 or something like that would of been harsh.
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Post by stumpy on Mar 26, 2020 18:35:46 GMT
Just to be clear, the National League have not yet officially declared their season null and void, even though there are rumours that they have voted to do so - it is only step 3 (our level) and below, that have been officially declared null and void.
If the National League does eventually complete then there will be no relegation from National League North and South, but there will still be promotion/relegation between those leagues and what I still call the "Conference".
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 18:49:11 GMT
Surely a more sensible solution would be use points accumulated this season as your starting point for next season. we would of missed out on promotion by 0.2 or something like that would of been harsh. 0.002 Given how many times I’ve ranted about it you should know by now!
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Post by biffo on Mar 26, 2020 19:07:22 GMT
A number of clubs in the level above us were already suffering financial difficulty before the inevitable early closure of the season. What if the decision and resultant loss of gate money. were to tip one or more over the top into liquidation?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 19:12:29 GMT
A number of clubs in the level above us were already suffering financial difficulty before the inevitable early closure of the season. What if the decision and resultant loss of gate money. were to tip one or more over the top into liquidation? id assume the league’s would go next season with a smaller number of teams, as league 1 did this season without Bury. Would just mean less teams being relegated from them for the following season.
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Post by simondo on Mar 27, 2020 7:01:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 8:00:24 GMT
neither of them had gained promotion and Worthing’s lead was also dependent on the fact we had games postponed. Sending either of them up would rely on the National league sending teams down, and for my money that’s a much greater issue. How can you tell a team that hasn’t been relegated that they have to go down so that you can satisfy a team that hasn’t been promoted wanting to come up? The league’s don’t have set procedures for such an unprecedented event so the only way for this to work is that nobody goes up or down. Although clubs folding may change that later. Scrolling through Twitter comments of people moaning almost every one of them supports a club that is being denied promotion.
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Post by shimba on Mar 27, 2020 9:51:11 GMT
Can’t see that working shimba as some teams had played more than others ... Give teams three points for every game left and use that as starting point. Simples!
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Post by simondo on Mar 27, 2020 10:19:32 GMT
Can’t see that working shimba as some teams had played more than others ... Give teams three points for every game left and use that as starting point. Simples! You know that is not going to happen though, not ever! Have a look at the Worthing forum, there is a interesting insight from a guest Bognor fan about life at the higher level for them. Worthing seem bitter but resigned to the situation.
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Post by shimba on Mar 27, 2020 10:24:58 GMT
Interesting news this morning that some clubs are taking the FA to court over this. Can't see them beating a cash rich FA in a courtroom though!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 10:52:35 GMT
Interesting news this morning that some clubs are taking the FA to court over this. Can't see them beating a cash rich FA in a courtroom though! they can threaten all they want, the FA would probably find themselves in a tougher situation if they were to try and relegate clubs who had a chance of staying up. And as it is Invicta would have every right to contest cray being promoted via a method that wasn’t written into the rules before the season. How different might the Enfield game have gone had we known we needed to win to be above Cray on PPG? While our home game with cray was twice postponed for a cup game that Basildon couldn’t get a pitch ready for but the league insisted took priority. Hornchurch and the rest would also have rights to contest it. About time clubs grew up and focused on ensuring they’re in a position to be able to put games on once this is over.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 10:58:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 11:00:01 GMT
yeah, the FA bottled taking proper action on West Ham for rule breaking.
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Post by outsider on Mar 27, 2020 11:12:41 GMT
neither of them had gained promotion and Worthing’s lead was also dependent on the fact we had games postponed. Sending either of them up would rely on the National league sending teams down, and for my money that’s a much greater issue. How can you tell a team that hasn’t been relegated that they have to go down so that you can satisfy a team that hasn’t been promoted wanting to come up? The league’s don’t have set procedures for such an unprecedented event so the only way for this to work is that nobody goes up or down. Although clubs folding may change that later. Scrolling through Twitter comments of people moaning almost every one of them supports a club that is being denied promotion. Don't forget that there will also be some clubs who, perhaps fearing the unknown, and wondering if they could afford it, may be breathing a sigh of relief now that the poisoned chalice of promotion has been taken from them.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Mar 27, 2020 21:49:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 12:59:26 GMT
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Mar 28, 2020 13:19:47 GMT
Accepted according to the gaffer www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/sport/leading-managers-have-no-complaints-224625/Folkestone Invicta boss Neil Cugley had his team fighting for promotion in the Isthmian League, Premier Division, sitting fourth when the coronavirus pandemic caused a halt in play. ”I don’t think they had any option in the end,” said the long-serving manager. “I’m disappointed because if we had won our game in hand we would have gone second, we had a semi-final at home in the League Cup, we had a lot to look forward to, but at the end of the day there are more important matters aren’t they than football? “We have had a great season, the players have been great, it has been enjoyable. It is a shame we can’t finish what we started but that can’t be helped. It is a shame but you move on.We will go again and get on with it and move forward, there is no point looking back is there?”
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Post by shimba on Mar 30, 2020 21:26:03 GMT
A letter has been sent to the FA today requesting that they reconsider their decision about voiding the lower leagues this season. They are disappointed that the FA has made a hasty decision especially as the majority of other leagues are waiting until more information about the anticipated length of the shutdown is available. Over 60 clubs have signed this letter but it appears that we have not. I am sure that the vast amount of our supporters would agree with the sentiments outlined in this letter.
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Post by kentrebel on Mar 30, 2020 21:33:45 GMT
Worthing fan here in peace
Please be aware that this decision has yet to be ratified by the FA Council and that several Step 5 leagues appear to be saying that they were not consulted nor do they agree with the proposed action
Stay safe all of you
Kenty
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Mar 30, 2020 22:06:29 GMT
A letter has been sent to the FA today requesting that they reconsider their decision about voiding the lower leagues this season. They are disappointed that the FA has made a hasty decision especially as the majority of other leagues are waiting until more information about the anticipated length of the shutdown is available. Over 60 clubs have signed this letter but it appears that we have not. I am sure that the vast amount of our supporters would agree with the sentiments outlined in this letter. A few more details www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52098137
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 10:08:22 GMT
Delighted not so see Invicta anywhere near it. Always amazes me how the game at this level criticised the likes of the Premier League yet manages to act in the exact same way at almost every opportunity. The shortsightedness and selfishness of a lot of those chairman into that list is baffling. Desperate for promotion at all costs.
There a lack of certainty that will remain for a long time. We won’t be back in any position to play football for months. When that comes we will need to get players fit before playing competitively. The idea that we spend weeks getting players in shape to end this season before taking another break then going into another preseason is ludicrous. You’d most likely be looking at starting the following season in November at best.
And until then how are clubs paying players? Alright for Maldon & Tiptree and Jersey but for 95% of clubs it’s unsustainable. The fact only 66 clubs signed this speaks for itself, and that includes clubs from across both the men’s and women’s game.
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Post by gerryhan on Mar 31, 2020 12:26:54 GMT
That is spot on Anthony.
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Post by stumpy on Mar 31, 2020 12:58:36 GMT
Yep, completely right, Anthony. The only reason any clubs are making a fuss is because they reckon they are in with a shout of promotion. The most important thing of all is that next season starts, if at all possible, on time. You can't keep this season open indefinitely, that would be a total mess that impacted the next season and so voiding the leagues is the only sensible option.
The teams that are threatening legal action are probably wasting their time. You can't sue for damages unless you can prove actual or potential financial loss, and being promoted in most instances has no certainty of financial gain for the club concerned - in fact it can sometimes mean that they lose money. I shouldn't think the F.A. is quaking in its boots.
We are right not to sign that letter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 14:08:20 GMT
Yep, completely right, Anthony. The only reason any clubs are making a fuss is because they reckon they are in with a shout of promotion. The most important thing of all is that next season starts, if at all possible, on time. You can't keep this season open indefinitely, that would be a total mess that impacted the next season and so voiding the leagues is the only sensible option. The teams that are threatening legal action are probably wasting their time. You can't sue for damages unless you can prove actual or potential financial loss, and being promoted in most instances has no certainty of financial gain for the club concerned - in fact it can sometimes mean that they lose money. I shouldn't think the F.A. is quaking in its boots. We are right not to sign that letter. The only sensible option would be to work it out on PPG or similar, which would mean even more clubs threatening legal action. Every team relegated plus every team denied promotion. You can’t make us rules as you go and there’s currently no rules for this scenario so there’s nothing much you can do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 14:14:28 GMT
Invicta have been denied potential promotion and league cup double in this scenario and the manager has acted with dignity and accepted it. No idea if that’s just a public face or how he really feels but it’s the right way to go about it regardless. I’d be embarrassed if people at the top of the club we’re acting like those at Hastings, Worthing, Malden, etc.
The most important thing right now if that we get through this with the smallest possible loss of both lives, but also businesses and football clubs and anything else that might be lost.
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Post by shimba on Mar 31, 2020 15:22:30 GMT
In my opinion, the most credible part of the letter is the call for consistency. I believe that whatever decision the FA made it should have been applied to all clubs affiliated to the FA not just the lower leagues.
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