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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 12:00:00 GMT
Article in Guardian today Jim P says if no crowds they will have to close in 2 weeks. Claims they are spending £80 000 a month in bills. Says players won’t be paid soon but will refund season tickets if they do go out of business.
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Dover
Sept 23, 2020 13:38:13 GMT
Post by stumpy on Sept 23, 2020 13:38:13 GMT
Let's hope that doesn't happen - but I've a horrible feeling that they aren't going to be the only ones at that level who might go to the wall if they can't have crowds. And not just at that level, outside of the premiership it's doubtful whether any clubs can survive for long without crowds. I think the FA, the various league bodies, the premier league and the government need to start seriously discussing a rescue plan before it's too late.
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Dover
Sept 23, 2020 17:52:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 17:52:04 GMT
Dover have some players on contracts that say no play then no pay, so if shelling out £80k per week then where does it all go.? Of course there may only be a couple of players on no play/pay contracts
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Dover
Sept 23, 2020 18:14:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 18:14:00 GMT
80k a Month Mr chops , let’s not exaggerate! He says players are on £600 to £900 a week but don’t tell our team !
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Dover
Sept 25, 2020 18:36:14 GMT
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Sept 25, 2020 18:36:14 GMT
Live streaming of their games now
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Dover
Sept 25, 2020 19:18:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 19:18:46 GMT
80k a Month Mr chops , let’s not exaggerate! He says players are on £600 to £900 a week but don’t tell our team ! Thanks amg I stand/sit/lie corrected. Put my error down to old fartiness. keith
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Dover
Sept 25, 2020 19:21:24 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 19:21:24 GMT
Live streaming of their games now I thought that National league was not starting until date set. Eastbourne Borough on TV tonite reckon they are shot as does JP at Dover who said 2 weeks then bust? ? Not sure what to believe
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Dover
Sept 26, 2020 10:57:50 GMT
Post by stumpy on Sept 26, 2020 10:57:50 GMT
According to The Times today, there is a real risk of clubs in the National League, National North and National South dropping out of the FA Cup unless they are allowed to admit paying spectators in a similar way to teams at our level. This is because a lot of them have players on provisional contracts which are triggered by their first competitive game - i.e. once they have played a game, the contracts kick in and they are committed to paying the players concerned for the rest of the season. This is a risk some of them reckon they cannot afford to take - so let's see what happens next Saturday with the National North and South teams, for whom their FA Cup ties are the first competitive match of the season, and also with the National League teams who are scheduled to start their league games- will they all play?
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Dover
Sept 26, 2020 11:51:42 GMT
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Post by ramsgatepaul on Sept 26, 2020 11:51:42 GMT
How’s the revenue from a 600 hundred cup crowd from a possible one off game going to be relevant to deciding to let season long contracts to kick in?
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Dover
Sept 26, 2020 12:32:15 GMT
Post by stumpy on Sept 26, 2020 12:32:15 GMT
How’s the revenue from a 600 hundred cup crowd from a possible one off game going to be relevant to deciding to let season long contracts to kick in? Because that's how the contracts are set up - this was done on FA advice.
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Dover
Sept 26, 2020 12:37:59 GMT
Post by finbarr_in_z on Sept 26, 2020 12:37:59 GMT
How’s the revenue from a 600 hundred cup crowd from a possible one off game going to be relevant to deciding to let season long contracts to kick in? with a 60000 attendance they could pay for everyone for the season
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Dover
Sept 26, 2020 21:09:01 GMT
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Post by plymouthseasider on Sept 26, 2020 21:09:01 GMT
If a club who average about 800/900 a game are burning £80k a month in expenditure and overheads, doesn't that immediately tell you something is wrong? Even pre Covid, their balance sheet would certainly make for some interesting reading.
I know gate revenue is only part of a clubs revenue stream but it'sstill most clubs primary source of income. Even if DAFC had 900 people all paying full adult rate every game for three games in a calendar month, then that's less than 50k gross before tax ect is even taken into account. Lots of other factors too such as ST holders pay considerably less, and of course like most clubs concessions actually make up the a higher percentage of ticket sales than the full rate. It's no secret that under JP, DAFC have slowly become more and more unsustainable and it looks like the chickens have now come home to roost.
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Dover
Sept 26, 2020 21:31:50 GMT
Post by stumpy on Sept 26, 2020 21:31:50 GMT
How’s the revenue from a 600 hundred cup crowd from a possible one off game going to be relevant to deciding to let season long contracts to kick in? Paul, I know you are being tongue in cheek here, but I could have been clearer in my post. It's not about having a crowd for the one off cup game, it's about being allowed to have crowds for league games - they don't want to play a cup game if that is not guaranteed to happen soon.
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Dover
Nov 17, 2020 21:25:49 GMT
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Nov 17, 2020 21:25:49 GMT
To add to their woes they're taking a pounding in the league (currently tonight 1-4 down at home to Woking).
They're 2nd bottom and in full reverse form-wise.
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Dover
Dec 26, 2020 21:47:54 GMT
Post by finbarr_in_z on Dec 26, 2020 21:47:54 GMT
Now rock bottom & worst form in the league.
A good chance for us to be playing them in the league next season (National South), but I fear our league might get made void this season.
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Dover
Jan 1, 2021 20:06:02 GMT
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Jan 1, 2021 20:06:02 GMT
Can't see this carrying on. Same as our league this season is going to go on until August 2021 at this rate. That's not viable.
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Jan 2, 2021 19:05:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 19:05:55 GMT
This Govt now has the powers to turn Crabble into a customs post / lorry park . Perhaps Jim could make a few £ !
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Dover
Feb 7, 2021 23:17:06 GMT
Post by finbarr_in_z on Feb 7, 2021 23:17:06 GMT
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Dover
Feb 9, 2021 19:24:24 GMT
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Feb 9, 2021 19:24:24 GMT
Blimey!
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Dover
Feb 10, 2021 16:49:38 GMT
Post by chrisk on Feb 10, 2021 16:49:38 GMT
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Dover
Feb 12, 2021 23:41:55 GMT
Post by finbarr_in_z on Feb 12, 2021 23:41:55 GMT
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Dover
Feb 14, 2021 0:22:26 GMT
Post by finbarr_in_z on Feb 14, 2021 0:22:26 GMT
Looking bad for the neighbours now
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Dover
Feb 14, 2021 9:28:45 GMT
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Post by plymouthseasider on Feb 14, 2021 9:28:45 GMT
Isn't that technically and legally classed as failing to fulfil a fixture?
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Feb 14, 2021 12:45:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 12:45:39 GMT
Isn't that technically and legally classed as failing to fulfil a fixture? yes. If I were them I wouldn’t be particularly worried though. The league can’t relegate or dock points in any meaningful way. All they can do is fine them which is pointless because they’ve got no money.
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Feb 14, 2021 13:52:56 GMT
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Feb 14, 2021 13:52:56 GMT
Isn't that technically and legally classed as failing to fulfil a fixture? I believe so. But multiple clubs are now in this scenario (not got all the details but Dulwich in NLS have been charged as such). I reckon shut down can't be far off.
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Post by laguna on Feb 14, 2021 14:17:17 GMT
Apart from the financial aspect they have a ridiculous fixture backlog which would be almost impossible to complete within the season.
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Dover
Feb 18, 2021 21:55:08 GMT
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Post by plymouthseasider on Feb 18, 2021 21:55:08 GMT
Isn't that technically and legally classed as failing to fulfil a fixture? I believe so. But multiple clubs are now in this scenario (not got all the details but Dulwich in NLS have been charged as such). I reckon shut down can't be far off. Darlington have been charged for failure to fulfil their fixture with Boston.
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Dover
Feb 18, 2021 22:04:34 GMT
Post by finbarr_in_z on Feb 18, 2021 22:04:34 GMT
National League North & South now both declared null & void today. Can't be long before National League calls it a day surely?
With no-one going up from NLN & NLS I assume Dover are safe from relegation this season? That's taken the entertainment out of it.
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Dover
Feb 18, 2021 22:56:50 GMT
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Post by colash on Feb 18, 2021 22:56:50 GMT
Dover are not playing game’s.
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Feb 18, 2021 23:10:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2021 23:10:21 GMT
Indeed they are not. The national league has very little power over them in this situation. Fines are pointless when they have no money anyway. Docking points doesn’t work if there’s no relegation. You can’t kick them out if you’ve no teams going up to replace them.
Hilariously it was the integrity of step one that has worried some at step 2 over the then finishing but step 1 carrying on with no relegation. Obviously that was their worry and they didn’t just want the votes from above to keep their league going so they could get promoted.
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