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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 18:11:44 GMT
Totally agree with that Invictasaint. Obviously, lack of playing time here was not good for his confidence and subsequently his game. But he has had some terrific games for us so the potential IS there. Delighted for him and his lovely parents that he has found a seemingly happy home at Hastings Utd. To publically air a negative personal opinion on the lad's ability, on what is meant to be a FANS Forum is beyond bad taste. I just hope he doesn't read our Forum. I repeat, Fans Forum! Gerry, as you and others often say on here (correctly) this is an independent fans forum and supporters should be free to voice their opinions. It does appear however that people do not like views to be challenged (although I’ll happily admit I probably don’t do so in the best way when I do) and not does it apply to any views they do not like. If you think any views I hold are just me speaking on behalf of the manager that is on you. He is more than capable of speaking for himself and does so on a regular basis, not only through club media but via Kent Online (the only outside media who regularly bother to cover the club). Just because I either agree with the mangers decision, or can see it from his point of view even if I don’t agree, does not mean I am not capable of forming my own opinions. Again, I will admit I’m aware how I come across but you cannot accuse me of attempting to silence others opinions yet say I cannot have my own. If you don’t like anything I have to say you’re more than welcome to either disagree with it or just ignore it. You come to speak to me about things pretty much every game, both at half time and after games which is why I find it strange you have reiterated such distain for my opinions both after the Leatherhead match and again here. I really couldn’t care less if you consider my opinions to be irrelevant simply because you played for hythe or because you knew people who opened the ground or because I’ve only been around the club a few years. As I say above, I’m aware that my opinion is ultimately irrelevant. After all I am just a self appointed spokesman.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2022 18:46:37 GMT
Oh no. here we go again. About 3 months ago, Anthony, you declared your intention not to use this forum again. This was a reaction to a conversation between me and another supporter, that you heard second hand, that wasn't entirely complimentary where you were concerned. It wasn't entirely uncomplimentary either - I've always, along with everyone else, recognised what a great job you do on the social media front and how important that is to the club, not least in driving up crowds. You probably weren't told that bit. What you probably were told is what was said regarding your contributions to the forum and your apparent role as self-appointed spokesman for the manager, although I somehow doubt that he would say (or necessarily even think) some of the things that you have written. Your "resignation" was followed by a storm in a teacup where, amongst other things, this forum was accused of being "toxic". I was surprised (not to mention amused), because I thought (and still do) that it has been a very positive place this season. as befits the way things have been going. When I asked the person who had made that comment for an example of "toxicity" they declined to give me one. Wonder why? Actually, there was one "toxic" post; that was your slagging off of Tyler Sterling after a few people had the temerity to suggest that he was a loss to the squad and should have been given a chance to build on his pre-season showing - that was toxic enough to piss the chairman off and prompt him to post saying so. There seems to be a bit of a pattern here; Johan was useless (according to you) and a good riddance; and now we have the same thing again with Finn. The truth is that he hasn't played well on the rare occasions he has been on the pitch for us this season, but it's also true that, as tends to be the case at Invicta, having fallen out of favour, he hasn't been given much of a chance to get back in it - vicious circle. So, all of a sudden, despite having played in League 1, he's not good enough for the level we're playing at according to you - in which case, he'd better pull his socks up, because, if he's still at Hastings, he's going to be back at this level next season. As an aside, I don't remember you once criticising Jerson even though, after a bright start, he was an absolute liability. But then Cugs continued to pick him, so how could he not be good? Incidentally, he's at Haywards Heath this season, so obviously never was good enough for our elevated level after all. Perhaps it's a generational thing. Some of us have been following Invicta for more than three or four years and can't help wishing the best for the players, whether they are still part of the team or not. I actually think it's good to have differing opinions on the forum, but there are ways of disagreeing. If you're going to revel in being "Mr Obnoxious", then people are bound to come back. I suppose it adds to the entertainment Hi Stumpy, I don’t feel like getting into why I initially left this forum but yes I was informed about your conversation about me, all of it, but you are obviously not the only person to have been heard saying things about me. In fact, you were rather complimentary in comparison to one former club official/hanger on who was heard saying he hoped the scaffold tower came crashing down with me on it. Regardless, I took a break more for myself than anything. I do, as you say, think this place is toxic and I do get roped into that myself at times. I logged back in to post thanks for the food bank donations before Christmas and find myself roped back into the toxicity again. If you’d like an example of how toxic the place is my personal favourite of recent months was a thread posted shortly after we went to Enfield and ended their unbeaten home record going back to pre-covid times, firstly complaining about the lack of incomings to bolster the squad (you can’t just click your fingers and sign good players, Cugs has made it clear he wants to bring some in) but then somebody fighting with themselves because of the lack of posts backing up his complaints. Regarding Tyler, yes I wasn’t particularly complimentary about him. The lad frustrates the life out of me because I’m aware how much ability he has and he doesn’t seem like he has it in him to live up to that. He did indeed impress in preseason but after being left on the bench against Worthing (with the match winner taking his place in the XI) instead of rising to the challenge he caused an issue that meant he was left out of the squad entirely the next week. Water under the bridge now, as the manager has said, but the lad has the talent to be looking upwards and not ending up on loan at Hythe just to get game time. Hopefully his goal and assist on Saturday will prove to be a turning point. I also never said Finn was not good enough for this level, just as I never said Johan was useless. I like Johan, and wish he was here scoring the goals to fire the club towards the national league south, but unlike Finn I don’t think he has it in him at this level. As it was pointed out to me at the time I never saw the player he was in his first spell, and it only ever felt like that nostalgia was driving quite a toxic atmosphere not only on here but at games. I remember some of the abuse I heard from my position directed at the manager when he subbed him off at times and some people genuinely seemed to think the manager was just not picking him because he hated him, which is absolute nonsense. You’re right, I probably never payed into Jerson while he was here. But like Johan I don’t think he was good enough. I do however think he was a better fit for the team and I have heard from players how much they enjoyed playing with him, but he needed more goals. He should never have dinked that penalty at Maldon and Tiptree and that miss, the defeat and then him stupidly reading the comments on here after the game left his confidence at rock bottom and he never recovered. I don’t think the crowd were particularly supportive of him during games though and that didn’t help him. But just as with Johan and Finn (and Sam Hasler and Blanksy and any other players I’ve seen leave in recent years) I’d love to see him hit his best form again. That division probably is his level. As I’ve said I’ve no issue with people coming back at me, but I don’t often think people read things properly. And if anybody ever wants a more detailed opinion from me I’ll speak more in person than I ever will on here. I’ll make sure there’s a place for people to queue up on Saturday.
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Post by bollockchops on Jan 17, 2022 19:01:25 GMT
Nice to see the toxic forum gang getting back together...bollockchops will be in again next. Gerry being the exception but I note with interest that when we win the threads are not full of 'well done' 'great team' but when we lose or draw the multitude of 'Cugley out' 'usual crap line up/formation'. Think on chaps. Anyway, good luck to Finn treated fairly or not was loyal and proffesional throughout his Invicta career. Dear kentjambo, Many thanks for your promotion of me to toxic level, so I need to maintain that now to keep you and perhaps others happy. Lets start: 1. Finn O'Mara was an excellent player who I saw for the first time when FIFC were away to Hythe in KSC shortly after he joined us. Seemed to be playing on the left of a back three. Had composure and time that was evident from his League 1 perceived level. He was strong in the air & on the ground & ambifootrous. Mr Cugley quite rightly got plaudits for getting him so not sure why he fell out of favour. Many others have remarked on the similarities with Joe Taylor so must be down to policy and those that are involved in that. 2. I have mentioned many times about Mr Cugleys one-eyed approach to team selection and poor use of subs. Many others say the same on the forum but I seem to be singled out as a renegade and hence 'toxic'. 3. I have moved away from Elham and now live in Waterlooville. I went to the Hartley Whitney FAT game as only a 70 mile round trip. A good performance on a shitty weather day ( the drive wasnt much fun going back in the dark) and pleased to see a decent result. Awful lack of home support but the FIFC fans did well to provide some vocality. 4. The media support and coverage that the club gets is exceptional at IPL level so you all should be grateful for that. Many clubs further up the scale dont get half of that. Anyway I will shut up and sign off now before anyone needs to go to their Dr to get an antidote for my toxicity. Go well for the rest of the season and the future All the best Keith Piper
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Post by stumpy on Jan 17, 2022 19:26:57 GMT
All I can say is: wow. Either I haven’t managed to say what I was trying to say or it seems that people’s misconceived ideas about me have caused them to read what they wanted to read from my post. Either way I’ll post again and try to be more clear. Anthony, you know what you were trying to say and your latest post (last but one now) is so much better than what you originally wrote. It also helps that you've explained why, for want of a better phrase, you tend to follow a "party line" in what you post on here. But you can't blame people for getting the wrong end of the stick when you wrote, amongst other things, exact words,"ultimately the club has made money selling a player that wasn’t good enough to get into the first XI." I don't want to start another argument, but I will say that what you said, even if the choice of words is one you regret a bit now, is kind of what this season's forum debate (we have the same discussion most seasons) is all about: we need to stop thinking "first XI' and start thinking 'squad' - I know that isn't likely to happen in the near future, and you don't have to agree. I've had quite few people bending my ear this season complaining about some of your posts on the forum. I've had complaints about some of mine in the past, some of them absolutely justified. I'm more careful now. Disagreements are fine, debate is one of the things that the forum is for, but the trouble with the forum, with any debate conducted in writing , is that it all gets a bit polarised, nuance and sense of humour gets lost and the sort of exchange of differing views that would be perfectly amciable if it was face to face in the bar or on the terraces gets a bit pompous or, worse, ends up with people slagging each other off. If things have got a bit heated on here, it's not because of the views you express (calling you a "self-appointed club spokesman" is slightly a leg-pull, but, as I've said, any humour tends to get lost in writing), it's because of the way you respond to anyone who disagrees with you, which I guess can be summed up as "suck my left one" (your words, not mine ) - probably intended as a slightly humorous comment, but rubbed a few people up the wrong way (not me, because I'm thick skinned). And criticising players past and present is an absolute no-no. Even if your intention is constructive and/or misconstrued it will get peoples' backs up - including sometimes the players concerned because they do sometimes read the forum. I know, because I've fallen foul of this before. So, to sum up, I think we should all try to be a bit nicer to each other, because it's got kind of silly. Let's keep disagreeing by all means, but do it civilly, all of us. Edit (I wrote this at the same time as you were replying to me - but I think it still nmakes sense)
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Post by gerryhan on Jan 17, 2022 20:21:46 GMT
I agree we should be more polite to each other on here Stumps. We all actually share a desire for the club to do well, whatever way we express it.
Anthony, I could have expressed myself far better regarding respect for your views on the game. What I was trying to say was that the perception is ( rightly or wrongly ) that you are part of the management set-up, and that that was influencing your views regarding team selection. rotation policy ( or lack of ) shape etc.
I am sure that you have football knowledge as good as any of us on here ( especially me! ) but you must admit that you do appear to be using the Forum to justify a lot of management decisions. If those are genuinely felt, fine.
I apologise for my rudeness, said in the heat of arguement.
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Post by Joel on Jan 18, 2022 19:01:40 GMT
I think one of the main problems is emotions aren’t expressed very well over text/messages, we can disagree and agree but we all want the same thing and that is for the club to succeed.
Look forward to being back Saturday.
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