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Post by reddevil on Jan 5, 2022 16:50:17 GMT
Expected win over a poor Leatherhead team. Is Jordan the next player to only play when others are injured?Lot of games to play are we bringing our loanees back or signing new players ? If so let's hope it's not to sit on the bench .Away day Sat ๐ค
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Post by xjr on Jan 5, 2022 16:53:22 GMT
Spot on No5. I suppose strikers are a law unto themselves. Good job neither missed though !! Alfie is supposed to take the penalties and was told by the bench to go get the ball. But short of a fight he was not getting the ball off of either of them
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Post by gerryhan on Jan 5, 2022 17:41:01 GMT
Obvious to all xj.
Bit unseemly one felt.
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Post by stumpy on Jan 5, 2022 17:48:52 GMT
Expected win over a poor Leatherhead team. Is Jordan the next player to only play when others are injured?Lot of games to play are we bringing our loanees back or signing new players ? If so let's hope it's not to sit on the bench. I hope not - Jordan back on the bench that is - imho he should be in the team now; he was having an excellent season and did nothing wrong except get injured. I think we are better balanced with him playing than with Kieron. Not stirring, just saying something that has often been commented on before, Cugs has never seemed to rate Jordan as highly as most of the fans do - &&&& knows why. As for the squad being beefed up a bit either with new signings or getting Finn and Tyler back from loan, it would make sense, but I'm not holding my breath. You never know, we might get through the rest of the season without any injuries and with nobody getting a bit jaded - let's hope so. This isn't meant to be a "miserable old git" post, just a factual one. We are having a terrific season in so many ways, probably our best in the Isthmian Prem; it would be a crying shame if it tailed off. Would hate this season to mirror 2017/18
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Post by biffo on Jan 5, 2022 19:56:49 GMT
I find myself in agreement with you Stump. Jambo mentioned in an earlier post that we should be looking at Aaron again and he is quite right. What is his current situation? Unfortunately we are currently seeing Alfie too much as a last ditch defender and he is at his best going forward.Linking up with Ade and David Smith he represents a threat to any defence. I agree that Jordan Wright is a better bet at wing back on the right and provides the balance we are missing.
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Post by gerryhan on Jan 6, 2022 9:05:50 GMT
Most fans agree that the most attractive (and successful) football we have played this season was with Alfie and Jordan playing wing backs in a 5-3-2 or 3-5-2 depending on whether attacking or defending.
We have eyes in our heads. We SAW it. Since then JV has gone on record as saying he prefers to play as a full back in a four. Is that a factor?
Kieron has played holding midfield before ( remember that away win at Worthing a couple of seasons back?) He could have done so again last Saturday and we could have reverted to wing-backs in what looked a less difficult home game anyway. But Mev was chosen to play a second full game in three days in centre mid.
When Jordan did come on, later in the game, he went up top on the left side of a three. Not a position you would associate with his best outings. Why not play him in a position where he plays best. Its beginning to look like dogma that we must play 4-3-3 and go early to ( excellent ) front two.
Just suggesting that we could be more flexible in our approach to systems and not be committed to just one way of playing.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Jan 6, 2022 9:48:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 21:00:17 GMT
Most fans agree that the most attractive (and successful) football we have played this season was with Alfie and Jordan playing wing backs in a 5-3-2 or 3-5-2 depending on whether attacking or defending. We have eyes in our heads. We SAW it. Iโm not sure who โmost fansโ are Gerry because we are getting 800 a game these days yet the only people I see or hear constantly moaning about the formation or the style of play are those on this forum. As for what people on the forum or in the stands see that the manager clearly doesnโt, it was 2 years ago that everybody on here could see that Johan should be starting. This forum was full of those complaining about what the manager not seeing what was obvious to them (not my take on it, I saw such quotes near word for word on multiple occasions) and that also seeped onto the terraces, any time another forward made a mistake or the manager took Johan off it was pretty vile from some in the ground. Thankfully since his departure the mood around the place appears to have improved, although Iโm not suggesting that was any fault of his. Heโs scoring less than 1 in 4 a league below now while Invicta are second in the premier division, have had 2 good cup runs and have attendances higher than ever (despite one claim on here that the crowds would be off to watch Johan elsewhere) so it seems the manager was probably right not building a team around him. Anyway, if the football really is as bad as you seemed to think when ranting in my face on Monday (itโs rubbish! Itโs rubbish!) Iโd suggest using this weekend off from Invicta to take in a game at hythe or dover.
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Post by gerryhan on Jan 7, 2022 22:08:07 GMT
Friends of mine helped to get this ground open and Invicta to play here. Tom Guiver, sadly now deceased and Garry Stanifort and Bob Dix.
I used to drive the first manager and close friend of mine Dennis Hunt to the games. All around Kent ( we were in the Kent league then ) and I watched the club slowly grow and into the fine club, we are today.
You, Anthony, are a newcomer here to the club. We appreciate what you do in the media team. But I will not be preached to by you regarding football. I have very little respect for your knowledge of the game, which seems to consist of repeating what the manager has told you after games.
YOU tell ME to go and watch Hythe ? I have played for Hythe in my younger days but have supported Folkestone since before you were born. I did not rant at you in the bar. All the fans talk about the game in Stripes after a game.
Finally, this is a Fans Forum where we fans discuss the game without insulting one and other. Telling me to go and watch another club is an insult to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 8:19:08 GMT
being at work all night and having pondered this exchange Iโm guessing youโve read my last line as me saying โf*** of your hythe/doverโ or similar. Now I wouldnโt think this would need saying but that obviously isnโt the case. Given the way with which you spoke to me on Monday, followed by posting it again on here, it suggests to me that you really arenโt happy with the quality of football. As I tried to say on Monday and did say above, I donโt know who these people are as itโs the first Iโve heard anybody say the football is โrubbish, itโs rubbishโ but if you donโt enjoy it you donโt enjoy it. Iโd merely suggest looking around at the quality elsewhere, both our closest neighbours really are serving up sh*te. Iโd considered going to hythe today just because itโs close but it will likely be off, dover I wouldnโt even consider paying ยฃ18 to watch. Iโve seen fans of theirs mock the quality of our league and claim our players wouldnโt get in their side and they are kidding themselves.
Personally it seems the majority are happy with the quality of football on offer. As you said on Monday, all the people you talk to who know football think itโs rubbish so presumably youโre as disinterested in their opinion as you are in mine. Why you immediately came to me to tell me that the system is wrong and the football is crap when you think so little of me is a bit of a mystery.
Now had you come and simply asked about the formation Iโd have (despite how tedious I find the constant complaints about it) spoken about it. You didnโt, you told me that itโs wrong and that the football is rubbish and all the experts agree and when I told you I didnโt agree you ranted at me, admittedly being egged on by the bar staff for his own amusement.
Now Mondayโs win wasnโt exactly thrilling but to expect non league players to turn up twice in 48 hours and play at their best, first on plastic and then on a pitch like that is mad. In fact, to expect the football the be as good, depending on what you like to watch, on the pitch as it is currently compared to the carpet we had when we kick the season off against Worthing: it just isnโt going to happen. I walk across that pitch every matchday and I also hear players and coaches opinions on the pitch. Bishops Stortford being an extreme example was an absolute bog and Iโm baffled the game was allowed to finish. Anybody expecting more than a goal either way was being hugely optimistic. Weโve put 5 and 6 past, admittedly not the greatest teams recently despite the pitch being heavy or sticky at different times. We won at Hartley Wintney in storm conditions that left them unable to play their next fixture due to the damage to the ground. Itโs not always going to be pretty.
Now youโve made it clear how little you value my opinion on football (not that I really care what anybody thinks) but Iโll post this for others who may wish to read anyway:
The switch to 352 during preseason was very much out of necessity, having lost Aaron and with Kieron facing an operation wide options became limited, moving to wing backs allowed Alfie and Jordan to provide the width, got Ade and Dave to play as a conventional front 2. The problem we found when Jordan pick up an injury was that we only had 2 players who can play as a wingback kieron was tried on both sides against Hornchurch/Cheshunt/Carshalton and we failed to score a single goal and after that the system was changed. Weโve also had a couple of games where we didnโt have the 3 centre halves to play a 352. According to many on here we hadnโt been playing well for a while and that defeat was coming. Personally Iโd suggest that a defeat was always going to come and those predicting it were always going to be right eventually (stopped clock) but over those final 3 games we really werenโt very good going forward.
Having only 2 players that can play wingback also means asking them to do it for 90 minutes every week. On plastic pitches and now on heavy winter pitches. Up and down the entire flank. Itโs just not feasible. So any time you want to rest one of them or one is injured you need a whole system change anyway. And Kieron doesnโt have a place in that system. Thatโs not the case with 433: nobody is with without a position or is the only one who can play somewhere. To suggest, as some have, they Cugs is wedded to it is purely laughable. Even in my admittedly short time following Invicta heโs used probably half a dozen different formations, depending on how you label some players positions within a set up. The 433 late on at Margate being different from the one that started it, for example.
The squad available season to season effectively dictates how we can or cannot set up. We arenโt exactly rolling in money and despite some people crying that we need to add to the squad there arenโt hundreds of quality players queuing up to travel down to play and train in Folkestone for wages we can pay. One lad had signed forms before deciding heโd rather stay much closer to home on more money. The manager can keep looking but there isnโt much point banging on about it every week. The squad is good and if anybody doesnโt want to be a part of it thatโs their loss.
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Post by glostervic on Jan 8, 2022 9:45:17 GMT
Dear oh dear. After being assured that you were leaving the forum to polite and sensible points of view from others, here we are again with angry and obnoxious comments about anybody who has the temerity to have a different point of view to yours. Thank you for supplying eight paragraphs of your thoughts, I will not be critical of any of them, and make personal attacks, simply note and move on. If you are still in charge of media and information perhaps you can answer the points raised on another thread which seems to have been conveniently ignored. Please provide an update on players illness and current injuries. It would be reassuring to be told that things are looking positive for a strong side next week. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 10:57:48 GMT
Dear oh dear. After being assured that you were leaving the forum to polite and sensible points of view from others, here we are again with angry and obnoxious comments about anybody who has the temerity to have a different point of view to yours. Thank you for supplying eight paragraphs of your thoughts, I will not be critical of any of them, and make personal attacks, simply note and move on. If you are still in charge of media and information perhaps you can answer the points raised on another thread which seems to have been conveniently ignored. Please provide an update on players illness and current injuries. It would be reassuring to be told that things are looking positive for a strong side next week. Thank you. as is usually the case with the internet I have no idea the tone with which this was posted but shall take it as having been in good spirit. Anything โconvenientlyโ missed is done so either because I missed it, I couldnโt be bothered answering or there is no answer to give. Assuming you are referring to the Aaron Simpson thread all 3 would likely apply, given that it was originally posted in the wrong section and then likely moved here yesterday while I would have been asleep during the day and thereโs every chance Iโd have clicked on it while half asleep. As has been stated this is a fans forum and Iโm under no obligation to post anything and as I have stated previously I actively try and avoid it. Currently I am only here because of the wrexham fixture and the complexities surrounding it but am more than happy to sign off again should people wish. Things such as injury news I generally shy away from regardless as Iโd rather not massively publicise who may be in or out, although thereโs often bits in the match preview, depending on what the manager wishes to make public. Regardless, Aaronโs situation is back to as it was before he joined the squad for a couple of games last month and he is not currently in the managers plans. As for any other injury updates I have absolutely no idea.
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Post by gerryhan on Jan 8, 2022 11:28:23 GMT
Have read your post with interest Anthony and you make some valid points re wing backs. They are specialist positions requiring two available players with the necessary skills.
Point taken, but it is your seeming inability to accept differing views to yours on here which is the moot point.
I am sorry if you felt I was attacking you in Stripes but trust me we have had far louder debates in there re team selection later in the evening.. especially ๐
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2022 13:24:46 GMT
Have read your post with interest Anthony and you make some valid points re wing backs. They are specialist positions requiring two available players with the necessary skills. Point taken, but it is your seeming inability to accept differing views to yours on here which is the moot point. I am sorry if you felt I was attacking you in Stripes but trust me we have had far louder debates in there re team selection later in the evening.. especially ๐ dont worry Gerry, you canโt go through life being as abrasive as I am but get upset over something like that!
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Post by gerryhan on Jan 8, 2022 14:10:38 GMT
Anyway... keep up your good work on the media team which is far more important for the club at this moment.!
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Post by kentjambo on Jan 8, 2022 20:07:46 GMT
As Obertan freely admits he can be abrasive. But I'm now wondering what the criteria is to participate on this forum? 1) Is there a minimum length of time someone needs to be a supporter of FIFC? 2) Added to that as what level of football must one have played?
Evidently something I hadn't realised, I've only been a true supporter for about 20 years and I only attained the level of playing for New Romney (once as a ringer) in the late 80's.
Im not going to mention the dirty fork๐
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Post by invictasaint on Jan 9, 2022 10:24:27 GMT
I used to play for the Southampton Labour Party FC in Soton Sat Div IX, me in goal and ten left wingers so you can imagine our tactical set up!
I have followed Folkestone Football since last week (my therapist tells me that any previous recollections or interactions are purely fantasy and should not be taken seriously)
So, on that basis, it is with some authority that I feel I can freely state:................
....or can I?
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Post by xjr on Jan 9, 2022 11:28:28 GMT
If the squad availability allows, I think we should set up for Wrexham as we did for Eastleigh, it proved that with that formation and the right amount of motivation the lads can give higher league teams a problem. Cugs promoting a competition between the front two is not helpful as they will only look to make their targets rather than who is in the better position to score. What has been shown is that what ever formation they are set up in, they will always give their best.
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Post by gerryhan on Jan 9, 2022 12:03:31 GMT
I totally agree with you XJ. It is such a shame we can't be there to see it. On a different point. does anyone know if Stripes can show it, or would that break the streaming laws?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 12:19:41 GMT
I totally agree with you XJ. It is such a shame we can't be there to see it. On a different point. does anyone know if Stripes can show it, or would that break the streaming laws? Will update the moment I know. If I was to speculate on what may happen: a stream at Bar Invicta may well have to be ticketed and be included in gate money that is split between the clubs. But that is purely a guess and not based on any information from the club.
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Post by Neill NI on Jan 9, 2022 13:45:17 GMT
It's a supporters forum, not everyone will agree.. personally I like the wee tirades from folks. Nothing wrong with a bit of passion (or standing over your point of view).
Edit - I played for the NI U14's, and have supported Folkestone a long long time
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Post by stumpy on Jan 9, 2022 21:09:32 GMT
As Obertan freely admits he can be abrasive. But I'm now wondering what the criteria is to participate on this forum? 1) Is there a minimum length of time someone needs to be a supporter of FIFC? 2) Added to that as what level of football must one have played? Evidently something I hadn't realised, I've only been a true supporter for about 20 years and I only attained the level of playing for New Romney (once as a ringer) in the late 80's. Im not going to mention the dirty fork๐ What a strange co-incidence - the peak of my playing career was exaclty the same as yours - a one-off appearance for New Romney; it was in the late 70's in the derby against Lydd and the first 11-a-side game I'd played since leaving school, which was a year, maybe two, before; I got asked to play by my boss who played for New Romney and was impressed by my goal-scoring feats at our weekly work five-a-side sessions - he didn't realise that I was really a clogging left back and was flattered by the low-quality opposition. It didn't go too bad until I missed an unmissable open goal (I was literally a foot out and the ball hit a divot and hopped over my foot as I went to tap it in); I wasn't asked to play again... As for the entry qualifications for the forum, there aren't any - you don't even have to be an Invicta supporter I hadn't looked at the forum for a few days - look what happens when we haven't got a game to talk about! I just watched Anthony's interview with Cugs. I'm not going to pour any more petrol on the flames, but it was interesting that Cugs mentioned the Carshalton game (along with Jordan's injury) as a deciding factor in our switching to a back four. I've already stated my preference there, so won't repeat it, but I honestly think that we were always going to get thumped at Carshalton. I thought so before the game, because at that time we were absolutely running on empty after the heroics against Eastleigh and the Carshalton result was coming. Anyway, let's hope we can stay on track. There's still a lot of games to go and our squad is still very (too?) small. Cugs says we've got a squad of eighteen; maybe, but it doesn't feel that way.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Jan 9, 2022 22:54:00 GMT
Any Leatherhead fan having a look at our forum must wonder why all the hoo ha on their game thread.
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Post by gerryhan on Jan 10, 2022 8:44:29 GMT
I also forgot to mention in my post that I represented my school in Limerick`s hurling team ( a kind of Irish hockey ) and also voted best traditional dancer ( something I have continued in a different format! )
Seriously though, we must feel free to express opinions here and have a balanced debate. Something I seem to have forgotten myself at times!!
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Post by xjr on Jan 10, 2022 12:24:32 GMT
I also forgot to mention in my post that I represented my school in Limerick`s hurling team ( a kind of Irish hockey ) and also voted best traditional dancer ( something I have continued in a different format! ) Seriously though, we must feel free to express opinions here and have a balanced debate. Something I seem to have forgotten myself at times!! I would pay good money to watch you do a jig Gerry
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Post by Neill NI on Jan 10, 2022 13:06:05 GMT
I'd love a go at the Hurly stick!
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Post by invictasaint on Jan 10, 2022 13:34:12 GMT
Your TuTu is ready for collection from the steam cleaners Gerry.๐
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Post by gerryhan on Jan 10, 2022 14:18:02 GMT
Have been seen doing it in the bars around Sandgate ( after sufficient nourishment on board ! ) on a few occasions.
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Post by kentjambo on Jan 11, 2022 18:29:29 GMT
I also forgot to mention in my post that I represented my school in Limerick`s hurling team ( a kind of Irish hockey ) and also voted best traditional dancer ( something I have continued in a different format! ) Seriously though, we must feel free to express opinions here and have a balanced debate. Something I seem to have forgotten myself at times!! I would pay good money to watch you do a jig Gerry I have some video evidence we can screen before Saturdays KO...๐๐คฃ
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Post by kentjambo on Jan 11, 2022 18:38:29 GMT
As Obertan freely admits he can be abrasive. But I'm now wondering what the criteria is to participate on this forum? 1) Is there a minimum length of time someone needs to be a supporter of FIFC? 2) Added to that as what level of football must one have played? Evidently something I hadn't realised, I've only been a true supporter for about 20 years and I only attained the level of playing for New Romney (once as a ringer) in the late 80's. Im not going to mention the dirty fork๐ What a strange co-incidence - the peak of my playing career was exaclty the same as yours - a one-off appearance for New Romney; it was in the late 70's in the derby against Lydd and the first 11-a-side game I'd played since leaving school, which was a year, maybe two, before; I got asked to play by my boss who played for New Romney and was impressed by my goal-scoring feats at our weekly work five-a-side sessions - he didn't realise that I was really a clogging left back and was flattered by the low-quality opposition. It didn't go too bad until I missed an unmissable open goal (I was literally a foot out and the ball hit a divot and hopped over my foot as I went to tap it in); I wasn't asked to play again... As for the entry qualifications for the forum, there aren't any - you don't even have to be an Invicta supporter I hadn't looked at the forum for a few days - look what happens when we haven't got a game to talk about! I just watched Anthony's interview with Cugs. I'm not going to pour any more petrol on the flames, but it was interesting that Cugs mentioned the Carshalton game (along with Jordan's injury) as a deciding factor in our switching to a back four. I've already stated my preference there, so won't repeat it, but I honestly think that we were always going to get thumped at Carshalton. I thought so before the game, because at that time we were absolutely running on empty after the heroics against Eastleigh and the Carshalton result was coming. Anyway, let's hope we can stay on track. There's still a lot of games to go and our squad is still very (too?) small. Cugs says we've got a squad of eighteen; maybe, but it doesn't feel that way. 2 keepers, JV, Callum, Matt, Alfie, Kieron, Ronnie, RJ, Heardie, Mev, Jordan, Ade, Dave, Drayc's, Luca, Lenny, Oliver, + Finn and Tyler out on loan. That's 20 and I'm sure I've missed one.
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