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Post by plymouthseasider on Dec 21, 2021 0:51:15 GMT
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Post by colash on Dec 21, 2021 7:53:27 GMT
Unless we get compensation from the FA it would not be worthwhile us playing. Prize money would not cover our costs.
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Post by simondo on Dec 21, 2021 8:03:41 GMT
Just have to listen to the game on the podcast then?
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Post by plymouthseasider on Dec 21, 2021 8:09:53 GMT
There's also the potential situation of stadia in UK being closed in the coming days and season curtailment again as step 6,7 and 8 clubs cannot afford to play BCD obviously. Problem there is if the government reintroduce a Furlough type scheme again and any club in receipt of it comes out of it to play a one of cup tie, they'll lose entitlement to it.
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Post by plymouthseasider on Dec 21, 2021 8:12:46 GMT
Just have to listen to the game on the podcast then? Listen from outside the stadium. Heard a few have the intention to travel to do this.
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Post by ade on Dec 21, 2021 8:28:13 GMT
I know it’s not what every fan wants but hopefully 🙏 being part of the media team I will be able to gain access to the ground where I shall be able to bring you live full match commentary Nothing been sorted yet but obviously if I’m allowed to broadcast then rest assured I will be in Wrexham to do this all the fans that could attend. mixlr.com/folkestone-invicta-radio
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Dec 21, 2021 8:38:47 GMT
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Post by glen on Dec 21, 2021 9:01:18 GMT
why not ask for the game to be moved to Folkestone Invicta, surely if both teams agreed the fa would not have a problem under the current circumstances,.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Dec 21, 2021 9:07:48 GMT
Scenarios should the Wales BCD remain but England remains free, so to speak:-
1) Play at Wrexham main ground Pros: For WFC: no travel costs / inconvenience; slight home advantage (comfortable at home) For FIFC: big ground experience for our players Cons: For WFC: no income; still costs for keeping a big ground open; no crowd based home advantage For FIFC: no income; no away support
2) Play at Wrexham training ground Pros: For WFC: no travel costs / inconvenience; slight home advantage (comfortable at training ground) For FIFC: none Cons: For WFC: no income; no crowd based home advantage For FIFC: no income; no away support
3) Play somewhere nearby in England (eg Chester) so that both sets of fans can attend Pros: For WFC: minimal travel costs / inconvenience; slight home advantage (medium size travelling support) For FIFC: medium-size ground experience for our players; away support permitted Cons: For WFC: cost of other ground rental For FIFC: none (other than the pre-BCD inconveniences)
4) Swap the tie to FIFC Pros: For WFC: share of probably the largest FIFC gate ever; a new ground for the travelling support For FIFC: packed house; match day income; no travel costs Cons: For WFC: travel costs / inconvenience. For FIFC: none
Looking at the above scenarios from both sides point of view I'd say that as WFC are likely to field their U23 side anyway, then a switch to Cheriton Road is the best option. Moreso if we pay for their team travel (we would have had to pay for our travel anyway).
Of course if England gets a BCD rule then it's FIFC team only off to Wales.
Thoughts?
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Post by invictasaint on Dec 21, 2021 9:41:03 GMT
Would there be any pecuniary interest/advantage/viability in seeking a swap of venues? After all, some income is better than no income, especially if the same 1237 turn up!
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Post by plymouthseasider on Dec 21, 2021 10:00:29 GMT
Scenarios should the Wales BCD remain but England remains free, so to speak:- 1) Play at Wrexham main ground Pros: For WFC: no travel costs / inconvenience; slight home advantage (comfortable at home) For FIFC: big ground experience for our players Cons: For WFC: no income; still costs for keeping a big ground open; no crowd based home advantage For FIFC: no income; no away support 2) Play at Wrexham training ground Pros: For WFC: no travel costs / inconvenience; slight home advantage (comfortable at training ground) For FIFC: none Cons: For WFC: no income; no crowd based home advantage For FIFC: no income; no away support 3) Play somewhere nearby in England (eg Chester) so that both sets of fans can attend Pros: For WFC: minimal travel costs / inconvenience; slight home advantage (medium size travelling support) For FIFC: medium-size ground experience for our players; away support permitted Cons: For WFC: cost of other ground rental For FIFC: none (other than the pre-BCD inconveniences) 4) Swap the tie to FIFC Pros: For WFC: share of probably the largest FIFC gate ever; a new ground for the travelling support For FIFC: packed house; match day income; no travel costs Cons: For WFC: travel costs / inconvenience. For FIFC: none Looking at the above scenarios from both sides point of view I'd say that as WFC are likely to field their U23 side anyway, then a switch to Cheriton Road is the best option. Moreso if we pay for their team travel (we would have had to pay for our travel anyway). Of course if England gets a BCD rule then it's FIFC team only off to Wales. Thoughts? How would a game at Chester work? Would the main stand in England be open and the rest of the ground that's in Wales be closed 🤔
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Post by paulh on Dec 21, 2021 10:05:13 GMT
If the game was swapped to Folkestone then income wise the cost of Wrexham's travel plus all match day expenses are taken from the match day receipts 1st then the remainder is split between the 2 clubs.
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Post by invictasaint on Dec 21, 2021 10:39:31 GMT
On the radio just now it said that the wales closed doors directive is initially only until the 8th Jan anyway. Fingers.tightly crossed.
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Post by biffo on Dec 21, 2021 11:11:43 GMT
Don’t think switch to FIFC would work as I think the announcement also said that Welsh fans would not be permitted to travel to English grounds. Sounds a bit draconian so maybe I misheard. Can’t really imagine that the edict will be lifted on 8 January as intimated earlier so we look a bit stuffed on a big payday.
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Post by glostervic on Dec 21, 2021 12:12:52 GMT
Think you are right Biffo- biggest game for years and less than 24 hours after the draw excitement has drained away. Who knew Morpeth away would have been the better option? The Wrexham fans are just as mystified at this ruling as the rest of us. Well done Mr Drakeford
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Dec 21, 2021 12:43:56 GMT
Don’t think switch to FIFC would work as I think the announcement also said that Welsh fans would not be permitted to travel to English grounds. Sounds a bit draconian so maybe I misheard. Can’t really imagine that the edict will be lifted on 8 January as intimated earlier so we look a bit stuffed on a big payday. They can travel so might be an option. www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/sports-matches-covid-rules-wales-22525909" This won't apply to Welsh teams playing away games in England - it only applies to games in Wales. So for example, Swansea City FC fans could travel to London, where Covid rates are accelerating in every borough, to see the away Boxing Day game against Millwall. However, three days later Swans supporters won't be allowed to go to the home tie against Luton Town." I've tried finding this info on the Welsh government website but it's like they're speaking a different language.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Dec 21, 2021 12:53:11 GMT
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Post by dusty on Dec 21, 2021 15:54:05 GMT
If it is to be played behind closed doors with no spectators then could it not be streamed either to Bar Invicta or available for home viewings for a fee,I'm sure they film their matches so would that be an option,maybe someone who knows about this could respond either yay or nay.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Dec 21, 2021 16:30:27 GMT
If it is to be played behind closed doors with no spectators then could it not be streamed either to Bar Invicta or available for home viewings for a fee,I'm sure they film their matches so would that be an option,maybe someone who knows about this could respond either yay or nay. This journalist thinks so
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Post by plymouthseasider on Dec 21, 2021 17:06:22 GMT
Streaming the tie will require the FA/authorities to relax the 1430 to 1715 blackout of live coverage that's in force on Saturdays. Streaming 3pm kick offs to overseas viewers is perfectly legitimate but Streaming it in the UK isn't unless the FA allow it. If BCD isn't enforced in England, then the FA are unlikely to allow it to happen.
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Post by glostervic on Dec 21, 2021 18:44:57 GMT
If the FA were ahead of the game they would have kept this draw regionalised- north and south, and Invicta would have been spared this voyage into Wales. To expect non league clubs with part time players to travel in the middle of winter during a pandemic is showing little understanding of how clubs currently operate. I know a cup game at Chester will be fondly remembered by our fans, but this was in November and times were certainly a lot different. We could all go in cars and coaches, have refreshments and stand next to each other without masks on. Maidenhead and Chesterfield have already forfeited their place in the Trophy this season (Maidstone getting a bye in last round) because of positive Covid cases in their squad. I would venture to suggest both of these clubs have a greater number of players, available to them on a weekly basis. If the game goes ahead, will the FA be sympathetic to the present situation and allow live streaming of the match? Who is going to be interested in the match other than supporters of both clubs? Perhaps we can hope for a sensible and helpful resolution, but at the moment things don’t look positive for January at all.
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Post by Snafu2023 on Dec 21, 2021 19:52:56 GMT
The co-chairman of Wrexham FC are very amiable. Maybe a quick twitter message to Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney explaining that without fans the journey to Wales could/would produce a negative return for poorly Folkestone Invicta Fc. Ryan Reynolds loves a story of the underdog and how to overcome adversity. twitter.com/vancityreynolds?lang=etwitter.com/RMcElhenney?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5EauthorIf the Welsh government doesn't change its mind on outside events and England stays as we are -then a well constructed tweet to Ryan and Rob could help in shifting the game to our ground. Then we would make Ryan and Rob free men of Folkestone- throw in a jar of cockles and whelks (from Chummies) along with a hearty meal at the Bar Invicta -- Rob and Ryans your uncle. Plus we could guarantee a crowd of 2000 + Just a thought - hope some sanity returns to the country before Jan 15 and its game on.
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Post by plymouthseasider on Dec 21, 2021 20:59:30 GMT
If the FA were ahead of the game they would have kept this draw regionalised- north and south, and Invicta would have been spared this voyage into Wales. To expect non league clubs with part time players to travel in the middle of winter during a pandemic is showing little understanding of how clubs currently operate. I know a cup game at Chester will be fondly remembered by our fans, but this was in November and times were certainly a lot different. We could all go in cars and coaches, have refreshments and stand next to each other without masks on. Maidenhead and Chesterfield have already forfeited their place in the Trophy this season (Maidstone getting a bye in last round) because of positive Covid cases in their squad. I would venture to suggest both of these clubs have a greater number of players, available to them on a weekly basis. If the game goes ahead, will the FA be sympathetic to the present situation and allow live streaming of the match? Who is going to be interested in the match other than supporters of both clubs? Perhaps we can hope for a sensible and helpful resolution, but at the moment things don’t look positive for January at all. So if we had drawn Parkway away in a North/South split, would you have then demanded the FA split the draw East/West to avoid a 300+ mile trek to the far South West? Most clubs outside the Isthmian setup have these kinds of journeys in league games very frequently.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Dec 22, 2021 14:52:17 GMT
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Post by xjr on Dec 22, 2021 16:10:54 GMT
Bagsy number 1 seat
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Post by plymouthseasider on Dec 23, 2021 22:38:09 GMT
Good luck on deciding who gets allocated a ticket. On those figures that would give us an allocation of 7.5 tickets under cup rules.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Dec 23, 2021 23:18:55 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 20:20:03 GMT
A message from Pauline.
“I was made aware that my name was mentioned on this forum when discussing the allocated tickets for the Wrexham game. If this game was played under normal circumstances then I would have attended and supported FIFC along with the rest of the fans. However I would like to confirm that when restrictions were imposed I had no intention of requesting an allocated ticket or to attend this game. I and the other ladies who work so hard in the disappointedly called ‘ Pauline’s Parlour’ are as upset as everyone else that we cannot support the team on this day but will not begrudge the few who can make the trip to Wrexham.”
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Dec 31, 2021 17:51:34 GMT
As we're allowed a beer or several in non league I generally find my legs aren't fully operational by about half time. So maybe that's the half a person.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Dec 31, 2021 17:57:40 GMT
This might get at a lower level than FA Trophy. Or we could put the academy team out: "Large events will be restricted, with exceptions for smaller sports events where up to 50 spectators can gather, and exceptions for events involving children"
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