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Post by realfan on Dec 19, 2021 11:39:48 GMT
I don’t think the formation change came from a lack of winning, for me, it looked like it became a little stale, teams knew how to play against us, I think we drew a couple of games and lost to carlshalton. Managers talk in the league we are in. It doesn’t hurt to change things up. I can see 3 at the back coming back soon anyway.
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Post by xjr on Dec 19, 2021 11:58:00 GMT
I much prefer the wing back system just for the spectacle as it does make for attractive attacking football and it gets the very best out of Jordan and Alfie. But it would;d possible leave kieron on the bench ! However ground conditions do come into it. The pitch yesterday was heavy and it did not lend itself to fast flowing football, expecting guys to run up and down the flanks for 90 minutes on that pitch would have been a big ask.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Dec 19, 2021 13:02:58 GMT
456 at Dover. Even with half price tickets. And they lost Dover fans are revolting. From their forum: "Comes to something when F Invicta gate was more than for a supposed local derby between higher league teams"
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Post by gerryhan on Dec 19, 2021 13:42:28 GMT
Point taken XJ. I would like to see us use that wing back system when and if possible. It does as you say , get us using the width of the pitch . Have it in our locker as it were. Also I wouldn't mind seeing Kieron given a game in centre mid sometime to see how he fares. Would give us even more in our locker for whenever we are short in midfield.
Ian Draycott looked sharp I must say when he came on. Had a couple of really good efforts on goal in that short period.Jordan too added to the team when he came on. Must be frustrating for him being on the bench as it is for any player.
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Post by stumpy on Dec 19, 2021 15:07:31 GMT
But I don't know why I bother, seeing how much happier this place is when it's miserable. Believe me, no misery here; I'm glad that we've got some football to watch and, on a personal level, that I can get along and watch it. Some of us think that we were better playing with wing backs. It's not a mega-whinge, it's not an act of disloyalty, it's just a matter of opinion; one which the stats, however you choose to divvy them up, do tend to support. But it's not really the stats that matter, perception is a lot of it as well. I reckon we were more dominant, creating more chances and conceding fewer chances to the opposition when we we playing with a back five than with a back four - don't have any stats to back that up at all, it's just a feeling. You don't agree and that's fine. At least, with a back five, we don't try and "build" attacks with Tim constantly hoofing the ball up the right hand touchilne for JV to head aimlessly on - for &&&&'s sake Thought we'd seen the last of that; it makes me want to scream, and not just me... Anyway, good to have you back - we can't have everyone agreeing with each other and, unofficial forum though this maybe, it's nice to have somebody setting out the party line from time to time.
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Post by stumpy on Dec 19, 2021 15:09:52 GMT
456 at Dover. Even with half price tickets. And they lost And lost to what was pretty much a Bromley youth team according to the report in the NLP.
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Post by gerryhan on Dec 19, 2021 16:16:54 GMT
Dusty more articulately expresses how I feel and others around me felt yesterday.
Far from being disloyal, it is the complete opposite. We love the team and debate seriously about the style of play. We have an exceptional group of players this season and when they are all fit it is difficult to keep them all happy. I thought we overdid the long ball yesterday, but it was effective and we won the game.
I do feel we have the capacity to play differently this season if we choose to. That`s all.
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Dec 19, 2021 16:28:10 GMT
456 at Dover. Even with half price tickets. And they lost And lost to what was pretty much a Bromley youth team according to the report in the NLP. To be fair they were the Bromley U23 team.
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Post by gerryhan on Dec 19, 2021 17:35:34 GMT
And lost to what was pretty much a Bromley youth team according to the report in the NLP. To be fair they were the Bromley U23 team.
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Post by gerryhan on Dec 19, 2021 17:40:47 GMT
And lost to what was pretty much a Bromley youth team according to the report in the NLP. To be fair they were the Bromley U23 team. Should read Stumpy.... Freudian slip !!
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Post by xjr on Dec 20, 2021 19:37:48 GMT
Obertan thought you had legged it in a fit of pique. Only to come back and have a go at us again 😀
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Post by gerryhan on Dec 20, 2021 19:44:25 GMT
Be careful to tow the party line XJ. We are noticing your attitude !!
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Post by gerryhan on Dec 20, 2021 20:11:37 GMT
Just joking Anthony. We do appreciate all you do for the club. But the Forum has to be just that, a forum! So let be just that, lots of our fans with differing views. All are well able to express themselves ! It creates a good online platform for fans to let off steam. It's healthy in my opinion.
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Post by reddevil on Dec 20, 2021 21:03:20 GMT
I agree with you Gerry ,it's a forum.We are 2nd in the league ,had a great fa cup and a big game coming up in the fa trophy which is very good .Is this the best we could have done IMO no .My concern is that we run out of legs at the end of the season ,now would be a good time to change the way our squad is used .
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Dec 21, 2021 13:49:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 11:41:48 GMT
Some of us think that we were better playing with wing backs. It's not a mega-whinge, it's not an act of disloyalty, it's just a matter of opinion; one which the stats, however you choose to divvy them up, do tend to support. But it's not really the stats that matter, perception is a lot of it as well. I reckon we were more dominant, creating more chances and conceding fewer chances to the opposition when we we playing with a back five than with a back four - don't have any stats to back that up at all, it's just a feeling. You don't agree and that's fine. Anybody is entitled to an opinion, you just divvied up the stats incorrectly, including 3 poor results while using 3-5-2 as part of your argument about how the team hasn't been as good since switching to 4-3-3, hence my correction. We also created very little in those 3 games and got smashed 5-0 in the third of them, leading to the abandonment of the system and an attempt to use Kieron McCann as a wingback in the absence of Jordan Wright (despite your claim that we changed systems the moment Jordan got injured) Anyway the win on Monday leave us at 2 points per game for both systems, obviously that will change over the weekend once we have played Margate and Leatherhead unless we pick up 4 points from the 2 games. In terms of pure goals though: 3-5-2: 13 games For: 26 (2 per game) Against: 18 (1.38 per game) 4-3-3: 7 games For: 20 (2.857 per game) Against: 6 (0.857 per game) Again, opinions are fine, I just wished to correct the stats which were askew. But regardless of the stats, without 3 fit centre halves and both Jordan and Alfie available there's no way to play 3-5-2 and that was found out in the games with Hornchurch, Cheshunt and Carshalton when instead of reverting to the 4-3-3 it was suggested the manager loves so much, we soldiered on with a player out of position (both as a left and a right wingback) to try and maintain the system, we got the hiding that so many had told us was coming for months (stopped clocks, etc) and things were changed. Hopefully we continue to score nearly a goal a game more and concede half a goal a game less over a larger sample size, starting with a Margate side who recently turned over the league leaders.
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Post by stumpy on Dec 30, 2021 14:28:30 GMT
Appreciate I might not have got the precise cut off for our switch from a back 5 to a back 4 - that's partly down to not going to away games..... Agree that right now, with who's available, we're a bit committed to playing a four (I wonder what will happen when everyone is available). I do think that we were better defensively with a 5; I know the goals against column hasn't been too bad in recent games, but maybe the oppo hasn't been that special and, to be fair, Tim has played out of his skin in the last few home games that I've seen, or it would be a bit different. The other thing I don't like about 4 at the back is that it seems to encourage us to go long ball too much - we really aren't suited to that. Of course, four at the back doesn't mean we have to go long ball - and to be fair Tim mixed it up more against Merstham - but it does seem to encourage it, I guess because we don't have was many short ball options as we do when playing with a five.
I did listen to the interview with JV that you put up. It made me smile because what JV said about enjoying playing full back was very different from what he said to me a few years back at an end of season piss up - maybe his views have changed over the years - maybe he was just telling me what I wanted to hear because it was a very happy evening.
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