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Post by finbarr_in_z on Mar 24, 2020 17:59:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 18:39:10 GMT
Appears to me that the only issue is whether the national league will relegate teams to step 3. If they do then Worthing and Cray will go up on PPG. If not then nobody will.
Quite weirdly the situation between steps 2 and 3 will probably decide if any league has promotion and relegation. You’d think if the Isthmian league sends 2 teams up it would have to promoted/relegate teams within its own leagues but if not would it still do that? Seems mad to think that Hastings or Ashford are effectively hoping the National league relegate teams to the league they wish to play in in order to trigger their own promotion.
Only fair way I can see it is that the season is null and void and we go again for a new season once it’s safe to continue. Nobody has as yet secured promotion or been relegated so it’s mad to think you can do it without and legal issues.
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Post by colash on Mar 24, 2020 19:02:51 GMT
PPG is not a fair out come. We have One game in hand over the other top teams.IF we had won this game we would have been 2nd on PPG. Some teams have played all the top teams and some have played mostly mid to bottom teams.
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Post by dusty on Mar 24, 2020 19:50:29 GMT
Personally I would rather see the season written off with no promotion or relegation and start again next season. I would love the team to be promoted but I feel it wouldn't be right for any team to go up if the season wasn't played out in full as some teams have 'lower' placed teams to play and others 'higher' placed teams to play, so the league table would probably look very different at seasons end to what it does now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2020 19:55:14 GMT
This news means I’m definitely going to need to work out how to do a podcast without being able to speak to people in person, doesn’t it?
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Mar 24, 2020 20:02:45 GMT
PPG is not a fair out come. We have One game in hand over the other top teams.IF we had won this game we would have been 2nd on PPG. Some teams have played all the top teams and some have played mostly mid to bottom teams. A few weeks ago a chance we would have been top on PPG as well. There's no easy way out of this. Whatever the decision some clubs are going to be livid. |
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Mar 24, 2020 20:59:50 GMT
PPG is not a fair out come. We have One game in hand over the other top teams.IF we had won this game we would have been 2nd on PPG. Some teams have played all the top teams and some have played mostly mid to bottom teams. A few weeks ago a chance we would have been top on PPG as well. There's no easy way out of this. Whatever the decision some clubs are going to be livid. Start of February we were 2nd and 7 points clear of 3rd place Cray, both having played same number of games. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 7:57:01 GMT
1. Decide remaining matches by a coin toss and award points accordingly , all will then get a 50/50 chance !
2. Suggested elsewhere , add points from this season ,as it stands now ,to next season ie start next season with current points and no promotion or relegation until the end of next season (if that goes ahead of course).
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Post by gerryhan on Mar 25, 2020 9:08:15 GMT
I agree with that Anthony. I foresee real problems for the League if they don't follow this, the only sensible and fair to all outcome.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 11:47:44 GMT
1. Decide remaining matches by a coin toss and award points accordingly , all will then get a 50/50 chance ! 2. Suggested elsewhere , add points from this season ,as it stands now ,to next season ie start next season with current points and no promotion or relegation until the end of next season (if that goes ahead of course). teams have played different amounts of games |
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Post by stumpy on Mar 25, 2020 12:10:06 GMT
I think the only sensible thing is to declare the season null and void and go again next season from zero. That way nobody is advantaged or disadvantaged; PPG is not equitable for reasons that people have pointed out above. How can points carry over work when teams haven't played the same number of games? - and it has the same problem as PPG in that some teams remaining fixtures this season are easier than others; as for tossing a coin to decide the results of remaining fixtures, with all due respect, let's keep it real!
With the uncertainty about what the national league is going to do about this season, it would be better now to say that, whatever the national league do, there is no relegation from step 2, and no promotion or relegation for clubs at step 3 and below.
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Post by ramsgatepaul on Mar 25, 2020 12:19:17 GMT
Pools Panel!!!
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Post by thebishop on Mar 25, 2020 12:22:56 GMT
As the virus situation isn’t going to improve anytime soon,seems sensible to call the 2019/20 season null and void.Carrying the current points forward to next season wouldn’t work as some teams have played more than others and also PPG again unfair for the same reasons.We’ll just have to accept that we and indeed the world has been struck by this disaster and hopefully we will soon be able to pick ourselves up,dust ourselves down and start all over again 🎶
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Post by stumpy on Mar 25, 2020 19:20:26 GMT
Apparently the National League have voted to declare the season null and void, although they have not officially announced it yet. If you google it, you will find a number of local paper type web pages that have reports on it.
If that is confirmed, then I guess that will settle the issue for all leagues down from there?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 19:24:28 GMT
The sensible decision.
If any good comes out of this it’s that Liverpool don’t win the league.
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Post by stumpy on Mar 25, 2020 19:51:58 GMT
You think that's good only because you don't live (cooped up as many of us now are) with one of Liverpool's greatest fans  |
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Mar 25, 2020 20:24:38 GMT
How about next season being just the remaining games from this season? We get a 10 game season  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2020 20:30:03 GMT
You think that's good only because you don't live (cooped up as many of us now are) with one of Liverpool's greatest fans i wish I did. Thank **** for social media so that there’s still a meltdown to witness when the PL give up on the idea that they can somehow finish this season in an orderly fashion. |
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Post by thebishop on Mar 26, 2020 9:07:48 GMT
Certainly seems we at FIFC have drawn a line under the 2019/20 season.On main site the results/fixtures have now moved from first team news to statistics (archives).Good to see the average attendance was up by 12% .Sad end to what was looking to be a promising and exciting finale.Whilst here,a quick thanks to JL for sorting out our away chuckle bus journeys and to Dusty M and his workmates for soldiering on with mail deliveries thru these trying times .
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Post by colash on Mar 26, 2020 9:12:14 GMT
As there will be at the most 2 games in the league cup. Maybe this can be played early next season.
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Post by benyoung1981 on Mar 26, 2020 11:52:41 GMT
Does anybody know whether all the results from a null and void season count in the clubs records books? So player appearances, goals etc. do they all stand or are they wiped from history?
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Post by stumpy on Mar 26, 2020 12:39:48 GMT
Ben, I would have thought that generally the "official" individual stats for players will stand at all levels of the game, and some of the team stats, like winning/losing runs, stuff like that. I don't know, but that's what I think is most likely.
As for our own appearance and goals scored stats, I would have thought we could do what we like. Richard Murrell (I think) is the custodian of these things, so maybe he could respond on here so that everyone knows?
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Post by richardmurrill on Mar 26, 2020 16:50:50 GMT
There are issues that crop up around appearance and goalscorer records.
Games that have not counted in the official records in the past have been matches abandoned (due to weather and the Paul Sykes tragedy) and one away to Croydon Athletic when they later withdrew from the league and their results taken away.
I'm usually quite pedantic with these things and the FA statement has used the word "expunged" with regards to results which usually means that the appearances / goals do not count, although in this instance my initial feeling is that records should stand.
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Post by thebishop on Mar 26, 2020 16:56:50 GMT
I agree,this season was a one off abruptly ending ,and records should include 2019/20.JV goals doesn’t score that many as he has this season
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Post by stumpy on Mar 26, 2020 18:33:05 GMT
Just to be clear, the National League have not yet officially declared their season null and void, even though there are rumours that they have voted to do so - it is only step 3 (our level) and below, that have been officially declared null and void.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 18:47:33 GMT
Players appearance/goals records/etc will stand. The season is not complete but the games are.
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Post by gerryhan on Mar 26, 2020 18:58:53 GMT
We have such good players this season, not all fit at one time but some really talented players. Will we be able to afford such a squad next season?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 19:11:21 GMT
We have such good players this season, not all fit at one time but some really talented players. Will we be able to afford such a squad next season? our budget may well take a hit but then you’d assume every other club will be in the same boat. So either players take a wage cut or they’ll end up without a club. |
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Post by finbarr_in_z on May 1, 2020 21:23:01 GMT
Would have been the Isthmian Premier playoff final this weekend. Missing the footy |
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Post by finbarr_in_z on Jun 9, 2020 21:58:51 GMT
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